Vision Battlesword [00:00:00]:
How are you feeling today, Magdalena?

Magdalena Mystik [00:00:01]:
I am excited. I am a little nervous and very curious and open.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:07]:
Nice. Who are you, Magdalena? Mystic.

Magdalena Mystik [00:00:12]:
That is a big question.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:14]:
It always is.

Magdalena Mystik [00:00:16]:
It depends on who you ask.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:18]:
Well, I'm asking you.

Magdalena Mystik [00:00:20]:
I am multifaceted. Different people see different parts of me, but at the same time, I'm all of them and none of them. I can tell you some labels that kind of fit to describe me, but at the same time, none of them quite describe me altogether. So I am a witch, I am an alchemist. I am a facilitator of transformation. I am a woman. And not from here. I don't know from where yet.

Magdalena Mystik [00:00:53]:
I was gonna ask an exploration. It feels like my soul is ancient, but I still have lots of questions. It's been a self discovery process.

Vision Battlesword [00:01:07]:
I often feel that way myself, that I am not from here. Sometimes maybe even that I don't belong here. Like, why am I here?

Magdalena Mystik [00:01:17]:
I can resonate with that.

Vision Battlesword [00:01:18]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's weird. It's. It's. It's strange. It's a strange feeling like you're out of place or out of time or both. I don't know. Maybe a lot of people feel that way.

Vision Battlesword [00:01:27]:
Maybe that's more of a universal experience than I've given it credit for. So you mentioned alchemy or you mentioned the label alchemist as one of the words to describe you. Which, as you know, is interesting to me, especially on the topic that we kind of came here to talk about. Because alchemy, it's. First of all, it's something that I just had a sacred conversation about with Edgar. And it's something that I've been studying in the context of hermetic teachings, new meanings of that word, and what alchemy and transmutation and things like that traditionally are really all about. And then as I mentioned earlier as well, the topic of energy has been coming up a lot and something I'm very curious about, but also I feel very inexperienced and less knowledgeable about, or at least I'm. I'm coming to realize that there's much, much more to learn about energy than what I previously thought in my life just in these last few years.

Vision Battlesword [00:02:31]:
But all of this leads me to the question that I really want to ask you about with is what is magic?

Magdalena Mystik [00:02:38]:
That's a big question. I think it depends who you ask. For some people, magic translates to like a trickery, a magician doing tricks that are not real, but are perceived to be real, but there's a trick behind it. And in My book, magic is believing in possibilities, endless possibilities, and utilizing those possibilities to guide specific outcomes, but also with the knowing that the outcomes might not be exactly as we think they're going to be because of those possibilities. So the magic relies in being open to the fact that there might be so much more to that process that we possibly couldn't comprehend. And being open to that is part of that process and part of the magic itself.

Vision Battlesword [00:03:52]:
So being open to possibilities is a part of the process of magic, is that what you're saying?

Magdalena Mystik [00:03:59]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:04:01]:
What is a witch?

Magdalena Mystik [00:04:03]:
A witch is a woman that knows herself, knows her powers and knows how to utilize them. Some say that they're good witches, some say that they're bad witches. And there's everything in between. There's no black and white, you know, that doesn't really exist. It's an illusion. So every witch falls in somewhere in the spectrum between the white magic and the great magic. But there's all kinds of witches, if you go by books, by definitions. There's like green witches, there's witch are the ones that like using herbs and are like in the kitchen, their kitchen witches.

Magdalena Mystik [00:04:49]:
So there's the ones that utilize food for their magic and their spells and their potions. There are witches that are more structured and that follow like Wicca religion, for example, and their witches are free flowing and more intention based. So I don't believe that there's one right or wrong definition, but it's more about the knowing of one's power and learning how to harness that.

Vision Battlesword [00:05:26]:
Is a witch and a wizard the same thing? Is it one just simply the masculine name or the feminine name for the same concept? Or are they two different concepts? Because sometimes I ask a question, because sometimes I hear someone refer to a woman or a woman refer to themselves as a witch. And then sometimes I also hear a woman referred to as a wizard. I don't know that I've ever. Well, actually I can even think of times when I've heard of a man as being referred to as a witch. So can you help me understand the distinction between those two words?

Magdalena Mystik [00:06:06]:
I think that for some people it is a male, female distinction, but also the word which in certain cultures and society carries a negative connotation, whether as a wizard. If you think about it in the movies, the wizard is like, oh, you know, the powerful, the magical, the one that does the spells, but they're put under a certain light, which is usually positive, right? If not, it's more of a sorcerer or sorcerer.

Vision Battlesword [00:06:38]:
Well, there's yet another word we can dig into.

Magdalena Mystik [00:06:40]:
Yeah. And then there's warlock and witches. You know, it's. There's a witch hunt, which is our evil, which is with luring men and eat children and do all this evil things. So I believe that because of that negative connotation, there are people that don't like to use our word to describe themselves, even though at the core, to me, it's the same thing.

Vision Battlesword [00:07:10]:
What is that at the core? What is that same thing? That a witch and a wizard and a sorcerer, Are they all magic users? Is that basically.

Magdalena Mystik [00:07:19]:
Yeah. Magic core definition.

Vision Battlesword [00:07:21]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [00:07:22]:
Magic juicers, alchemists, energy manipulating people.

Vision Battlesword [00:07:30]:
Yeah. What is that? Energy masters. Masters of energy.

Magdalena Mystik [00:07:35]:
Yeah. That's actually a label that sometimes I use to describe myself, Energy master.

Vision Battlesword [00:07:41]:
But these are all kind of different ways of naming the same basic phenomenon or basic skill set. In your opinion, whether we're talking about an alchemist, an energy master, a wizard, a witch, we're all basically saying the same thing, or is it. Are there. Are there distinctions or differences there.

Magdalena Mystik [00:08:02]:
There are nuances, because energy masters don't necessarily cast spells or do rituals, but they have a certain understanding of energy, how they perceive it, how they can transmute it, manipulate it, conduct it, stop it, and believe that when there's magic involved, depending on the type of magic, there's other elements that get used, like herbs, ointments, oils, invocations of different spirits of different beings, crystals. Like, the ways in the energy is manipulated is different.

Vision Battlesword [00:08:53]:
What's the relationship between magic and reality or like the manipulation of reality? Does that have something to do with magic?

Magdalena Mystik [00:09:04]:
It depends on what you define as reality.

Vision Battlesword [00:09:09]:
Well, I'm just trying to sort of, like I'm putting myself in the role. And not just putting myself. I am in the role of a layperson here, just trying to understand what you're talking about. You know, you're. You come from this world, which is a world that I've barely even witnessed, you know, let alone really experienced or certainly developed any mastery in. So when we're using these terms, a lot of the ideas that I get about magic and wizardry and witchcraft and alchemy and all these things comes from things like what you were talking about, popular fiction, you know, fantasy stories and things of that nature. So when I'm thinking about magic and I think maybe when, like a layperson thinks about magic, they might be thinking about something that lets you break the normal rules of the physical laws of the universe to do things that are, say, supernatural. Would you say that that has anything to do with magic? Or.

Vision Battlesword [00:10:08]:
Or is that a misunderstanding of what magic is all about?

Magdalena Mystik [00:10:13]:
I think it's a misunderstanding because it's not breaking the laws of the universe, it's knowing the laws of the universe and knowing how to use them properly for this specific outcome. You cannot go against natural law. We exist in this reality where that is not a possibility. If you start talking about other realms, other dimensions, and that's when it gets more interesting and more nuanced and complicated. But if we are talking about this material reality, there are universal laws that we all have to abide to, and knowing what those are can help the magician know how to use them properly for their advantage.

Vision Battlesword [00:11:11]:
So is it more like the magician or the magic user, the wizard, the witch, is really just using the natural laws to their fullest potential, whereas someone who doesn't have that same understanding or that same level of mastery is just running a more limited rule set? It's not to say the magic user is breaking the rules. It's more just to say that there's more possibilities than what most people allow themselves to consider, and therefore they sort of keep themselves constrained within this artificial rule set. Is that kind of what you're saying?

Magdalena Mystik [00:11:51]:
Yes. It's like when someone is baking, for example, a person that is not a baker might get a recipe and they follow the recipe to the tea, and then they get a specific outcome, but they're really not understanding what they're doing, whether as a magician or a baker in this case understands that the baking soda is having a specific role in the recipe and that that the sugar adds moisture and that if you increase that, that the eggs help with the binding of the flour. So by understanding what each ingredient does, we are able to manipulate that recipe to do something different than what's on the book. Whether as someone that's not a baker, because they don't really understand what they're doing. It's like, yeah, they can get a specific outcome, but they're not playing with the formula, if that makes any sense.

Vision Battlesword [00:12:54]:
Yeah, totally. I mean, what's coming up while you're talking for me is like even just wondering, so what's the difference between magic and science? Is there even a meaningful distinction between those two things?

Magdalena Mystik [00:13:09]:
The difference is that magic is what science hasn't been able to explain or measure. Perhaps there's not a tool yet that can measure a specific outcome that was achieved with magic, but that doesn't mean it's not there. We just can't quantify it or explain it at least yet.

Vision Battlesword [00:13:35]:
Sure. But what like when you're talking about the baking analogy, like someone who understands someone, someone who has a mastery of and a comprehension of the chemistry, the temperature, and the way of manipulating ingredients to create a concoction, a confection, whatever. Whatever it is that looks like to someone who just simply hasn't learned those techniques and that information, it may look like magic. In other words, I don't. I don't know what you just did there. You put a bunch of random stuff in a bowl, mixed it up, put it in the oven, and out came a cake that looks like magic. But it's just operating within a rule set and based on natural laws, as you said, or fundamental principles that one person knows and the other person doesn't. But when you talk about magic or like in past conversations that we've had, and you talk about manipulation of energy and casting spells and these different kind of magical arts, it sounds to me like you're following a recipe, doing things in a certain order in a specific way that's based on things that are certainly perceivable, real.

Vision Battlesword [00:14:51]:
You're manipulating the natural world in a way that seems to be very scientific, or at the very least, it's not superstitious. It's just a matter of training and perception and learning what the rules are. So could it be considered that science is a type of magic or that magic is an extension of science, or that the two are more or less different ways of achieving the same result, which is learning more about the fundamental nature of the universe and how to work with it?

Magdalena Mystik [00:15:30]:
Per. Perhaps, But I believe it's a little more nuanced than that, because there are certain outcomes in magic that cannot be reproduced over and over. And if you go by, you know, the scientific method, that's part of, like, you're supposed to have a very specific set of variables.

Vision Battlesword [00:15:52]:
Right.

Magdalena Mystik [00:15:53]:
And run experiments, and it has to be repeatable with the same variables and getting a certain outcome. While that is possible with magic, it's not that simple.

Vision Battlesword [00:16:07]:
Oh, that's interesting. That's so. That's a very interesting distinction. So how does magic work? Let me rephrase a question. When you say that when you're doing magic, it's not like science. Sometimes it's not like science in the sense that things are predictable or falsifiable or repeatable in the same way as if you run a science experiment. Part of science is that you expect to be able to reproduce results based on the theory that you have. But you're saying in magic, it doesn't work that way.

Vision Battlesword [00:16:39]:
So how does it work in magic in the sense of when you're trying to accomplish a result, do you have to factor in unpredictability or what? Like just, I guess, just in your own words, tell me what, what does that look like?

Magdalena Mystik [00:16:55]:
We're getting into complex scenarios here. So there are certain elements that play a role in magic that don't play a role in science, like free will. To me, the. The distinction between white magic and black magic is very simple. Black magic, which is considered lower vibrating or more denser energy, some people say, go to extent to say that it is evil is when someone is manipulating somebody else's free will. That is a very distinct clear line. And so there's white magic and there's black magic and gray magic, which is everything in between. And there are levels and depending on the lineage that someone gets trained under, like their ceremonial magic, that there.

Magdalena Mystik [00:17:55]:
It's very nuanced. And you get initiated into a specific lineage or lodge. And there are very specific rules. Some of them are very dogmatic. And you have to do things by the book. And there are reasons for that. Like there are certain rituals that get done at the same time all around the world. And the energy of all these people doing that same ritual at the same time gets amplified exponentially because everyone is putting their attention and their intention at the same time.

Magdalena Mystik [00:18:39]:
So the outcome of that ritual is highly likely to be what it's meant to be, as opposed to one person doing it on its own because the force behind it is dramatically greater. And then there's other types of magic and witchcraft where it's more intuitive. Kind of like tap into yourself, tap into what you're doing. And for me, to my spirit guides, like all of my sky homies, and they tell me what to do and what to mix. So it's not like I have a book and I'm following recipes. I have an idea of what the elements do and then I go and create. So I don't know what's going to happen a lot of the times, but I know the intention and I know the ingredients and I know the outcome. And I trust that I'm going to do my play my part.

Magdalena Mystik [00:19:47]:
But there's also. I am this tiny particle in the universe. There's other forces out there. And I might believe that a specific outcome is what is best in play. But there's a much bigger part here, a much bigger play that is happening that might have a different idea or a different plan. So that's what I'm going back to the beginning of our conversation when I talked about possibilities, that's where the possibilities come in. Because I might think, for example, let's say that someone hires me to do a cord cutting ritual for them because they believe that they are done with our relationship and they don't want to see their ex ever again because they have a certain type of behavior that they don't appreciate or a difference in beliefs or something. So they come to me, say I'm done with this person, let's do a cord cutting ritual.

Magdalena Mystik [00:20:56]:
So I do my thing and it's, it's very effective. But there's also a possibility that that other person that hired me wasn't a hundred percent sure that they wanted to be done with this person. So even though we went through the ritual and there's other forces, a role playing a role here, the other person still has free will and they can choose at a certain point after the ritual, say well, I really miss them, so let me call them. So you can do all the magic in the world, but that other person still has free will. And there's also a different approach where is on the realms of the black magic where there's mental manipulation happening. So you can put someone under the influence and it doesn't have to be in the influence of a substance. It can also be like nlp. Neuro linguistic programming can be used for manipulation of someone and I could go there with them and convince them why they don't want to go back to their ex or whatever and guarantee a certain outcome.

Magdalena Mystik [00:22:21]:
But then that usually doesn't go well. Like the people that play in those realms, they're surprised to be paid when people mess with bigger forces than them. And that's just a line that I don't cross. So when I do spells, rituals, I do my part and then I let it go. And I trust that whatever outcome is supposed to happen for the highest and best of the other people involved is going to happen. And I just play my part, let it go.

Vision Battlesword [00:22:57]:
I have so many questions based on what you just said. Is there inherently a spiritual component to magic? Is that one of the distinctions between magic and what we would consider to be the normal material reality, slash science or scientific mindset, is there inherently, are we dealing with spirit and spiritual forces when we're doing magic?

Magdalena Mystik [00:23:24]:
Absolutely. And there's animism and even if you're using herbs, for example, there is a full cloth or belief that certain herbs or flowers or resins have different properties to them. So there's that component. And how do you prove it. You really can't. It's not like there's a machine that you can put sage and it tells you, oh, yeah, this. This neutralizes negative energy. It's by a belief basically, of what other different cultures, different communities have use it for.

Magdalena Mystik [00:24:06]:
And also I believe that is outcome proven. So if you use the same thing for something and you get the same result multiple times, like. Like, okay, yeah, I sage the room, it feels better. So it must be doing something. What is it doing? There are some studies that say that it lowers the. The bacteria count in the room and.

Vision Battlesword [00:24:32]:
Did you say bacteria?

Magdalena Mystik [00:24:33]:
Yeah, and that's why I believe.

Vision Battlesword [00:24:35]:
I believe it's an antibiotic. Yeah. Or antimicrobial.

Magdalena Mystik [00:24:38]:
Yeah. So, I mean, it's nature. It has its properties even when we know it or not.

Vision Battlesword [00:24:43]:
And then there's the psychological components of.

Magdalena Mystik [00:24:46]:
Absolutely.

Vision Battlesword [00:24:47]:
If I believe that, you know, the power of the mind to create its own reality and so forth, like, if I believe it's going to make me feel better, then I burn the sage and I do feel better. Hey, what do you. What do you know? And then also, you know, does it actually purify the air in certain ways? Does it have some sort of psychoactive properties of just inhaling the smoke? You know, maybe is. Maybe creates a pleasant experience. There's so many layers to what can be happening. And then there's that. There's that mysterious layer, like, what you're talking about, that ephemeral layer of like. Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:25:21]:
Did something spiritually happen or energetically change in this space because of some property inherent in this plant, in this herb that really just. We don't have a machine to measure just yet, but we. We do have our own internal machinery, our biological or spiritual machinery that is sensitive to these things. Is that kind of what you're thinking about, magic in terms of that there's layers of this reality, layers of this universe, and the natural rules or natural laws that shape it that we as human beings or sentient beings are sensitive to, that we have this kind of equipment biologically, energetically, spiritually, to sense and perceive certain things that we. Our science has not yet created technological machinery to be able to perceive and manipulate.

Magdalena Mystik [00:26:24]:
Absolutely. That's very eloquent.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:28]:
What's the difference between white magic and black magic? And how. How do we. Why do we label one or the other?

Magdalena Mystik [00:26:37]:
It's the desire to manipulate someone else's free will.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:41]:
I see.

Magdalena Mystik [00:26:42]:
When someone wants someone else to do something different than what they want to do, and you use magic to manipulate that in My book, that is black magic.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:59]:
So it's really about consent. Absolutely. Agency.

Magdalena Mystik [00:27:02]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:27:02]:
If you're trying to override someone's personal agency for your own reasons, whatever that may be, then you're on the darker side.

Magdalena Mystik [00:27:12]:
Yeah. And someone might say, oh, well, you know, I. I want my ex back. What's wrong with that? So I'm going to do a lob spell to. And a lot of this is based on my knowledge of Mexican curanderismo. And this is so common in Mexico, and we don't see it in the US that much. But there. There are some spells called amares, which amare means to tie.

Magdalena Mystik [00:27:40]:
So you literally tie yourself to a person so that person cannot leave you. And even the way the spell looks like there's ties involved and candles that look like people and it might seem innocent. And. Oh, boy, I've heard stories where people actually get what they want, so they get that person back, and that person ends up being really abusive and they become obsessive with the other person. So even though they have them, they don't want them anymore. But the other person, because they're under that black magic spell, they won't leave. So it doesn't matter what they do. They're stuck with them.

Magdalena Mystik [00:28:28]:
And that's. That's what I mean with. There's always a price to pay. It's almost like the genie, you know, when you. When you get a wish and there's a movie. I blanking on the name, but he gets seven wishes from the devil, and he gets it what. It seems like what he wanted, but there in the nuances, everything goes wrong. And he's like, no, never mind.

Magdalena Mystik [00:28:55]:
This is not what I wanted. So it's. It's the same thing in the principle.

Vision Battlesword [00:29:00]:
There's so many stories like that in our popular culture or, I mean, in various. Various cultures and various traditions, there always seems to be some kind of story like that, like the Monkey's Paw or the Arabian Nights, the genie and the wishes, or, you know, it's. It. Or fou. The Faustian bargain from that story of Faust. And yeah, it's. There's. There's so many examples of that.

Vision Battlesword [00:29:27]:
What's the word? Not archetype, not stereotype, but story structure. It's always that idea of be careful what you wish for and be very clear, be very specific, because things come back to you in a way that may be literally satisfying what you requested, but not the spirit of what you requested or the way. The way that you asked for it. And your intentions always seem to be the thing that really comes back to you more so than like the specific, you know. For example, if I wish for riches with greed in my heart, you know, then I may get an inheritance because of a loved one that passes away untimely or something like that. Whereas if I make a wish that's more generous in a certain way, then it'll come to pass. Maybe not to my personal enrichment, but you know, to the benefit of my life in different ways. So is that kind of what you're talking about? I'm sort of sensing there's some kind of like a law of return.

Vision Battlesword [00:30:34]:
And I've heard this from other people who describe themselves as magic users of different kinds, that there's a sort of law of return or this feedback system built into the magical properties of the universe, that what you put out is going to come back to you. Meaning if you cast a spell intentionally to harm someone, for example, then you may get that outcome, but that something's going to come back to you with an equal and opposite force or an equally negative energy as to what you put out there. Is that the way you think it works too?

Magdalena Mystik [00:31:09]:
Yeah, absolutely. And it's because the original intention was manipulation. There's a certain energetic frequency to that. So the boomerang effect is that same energetic frequency coming back. And sometimes it's multiplied. Like if you're gonna play in those realms, be ready to pay the price. And usually that price can be big.

Vision Battlesword [00:31:36]:
So the distinction that I'm kind of getting here from what you're saying is that the difference between white magic and black magic, and then of course the shades of gray in between has to do with the intention behind what you're trying to do, whether it's really in the service of helping people or in kind of the spirit of, let's say, good faith or goodwill versus if what you're doing is in the spirit of self service, manipulation for your own personal gain or just generally in bad spirit or the spirit of harming others for whatever reason, that would be more considered black magic. And then we're going to pay a price. You know, no matter what it is that we're doing when we're manipulating these realms, there's going to be some sort of a return and there's going to be some sort of a consequence for going out into the world with manipulating more of the darker forces that's going to come back to you in some way, Is that what you're saying?

Magdalena Mystik [00:32:38]:
100%.

Vision Battlesword [00:32:39]:
What are all these different colors of magic that you're talking about. I heard white, black and green. Are there other colors besides that?

Magdalena Mystik [00:32:46]:
Not that I'm aware of. A green witch is. It's like a term that is known and it's a person that uses herbs and nature in general for. For the spells. Whereas some of the ceremonial magic, for example, don't use those elements for their rituals. It's more about the cloaks and the daggers and it's more theatrical, at least from what I've experienced and what I got initiated into.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:22]:
That's an interesting point that you bring up because there is a whole theatrical side of what we call magic. But this also comes into the distinction between the spelling magic versus magic K. Right. But one, the magic with a K at the end meaning authentic magic. Things that are. Are real, so so to speak. Meaning they're. They're actually manipulating things in the world versus things that are more just sleight of hand or trickery of some sort.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:59]:
So I'm guessing there's some kind of a blurry line between that, where sometimes it's both. Right. Sometimes there's theatrics involved, but also real magic going on at the same time. Just curious about that. Like how much of what you've experienced in the world of magic seems to you to be more performative. You know, ritual and ceremony versus things that are things that are actually manifesting real powerful forces that are making changes in the world.

Magdalena Mystik [00:34:33]:
I think the distinction lays on the lies on the person that is conducting those things. And if they truly know what they're doing or if they're the baker, the person just following the recipe, if they truly understand the forces and the elements versus just doing a 1, 2, 3, and there you go. My get into a controversial virtual topic here, but if you pay attention to a Catholic Mass, for example, there's a lot of ritual that happens there and there's a lot of symbols that are pagan that are used like as simple as by the altar. They have the big candles and they have sigils on them. They don't call them sigils, but they are sigils. The priests wear different colors and a reason why there were black is used for protection. If you think about it, the undergarments that the priests were are black and they are performing alchemy when they're transforming the wine into the blood of Christ and yet they condemn witchcraft.

Vision Battlesword [00:35:58]:
I have noticed this as well.

Magdalena Mystik [00:36:00]:
And at the same time, it's like how many of these priests are actually realizing what they're doing versus they are following the path that someone told them to follow them blindly and by faith. Right there. There's a energetic difference there, and it's nuanced. So to go back to your question, witchcraft is in right now. Everyone and their mother are calling themselves a witch. Makes me a little angry. But it's trendy.

Vision Battlesword [00:36:43]:
Totally.

Magdalena Mystik [00:36:43]:
It's cool. Which before it's. It's never been the case. It's always been the witches are outcasted and they're the evil, the ones that have the evil intentions. And there are a lot of people right now that call themselves a witch or say that they're magicians or that they do magic because it's cool or because it pays the bills. And in that case, it is performative. So can everyone do witchcraft? Technically, yes. But is it actually doing something? In my opinion, no.

Vision Battlesword [00:37:26]:
Okay, so that's. There's a lot of interesting points that you just brought up just there that I really want to get into. So I just heard you say, though, in this moment, I heard you say everyone has the capability to do witchcraft or to perform magic. It's not like there's not like a special type of person that's born with that innate talent or potential. And then the Muggles, so to speak. It's not like a Harry Potter type situation, is it? I mean, are there some people who can do magic and others that can't, or is it. Is it just a matter of training?

Magdalena Mystik [00:38:07]:
I don't believe that it can purely be trained because of the understanding of the natural laws that I was referring to at the beginning. It requires more than an intellectual recognition. Like it's. It's not a cognitive process. Yes, you can follow the recipe, but there's an intuitive, energetic component that if someone is not in touch with that part of themselves and that part of the everything, then it's a mechanical thing.

Vision Battlesword [00:38:44]:
Okay, that's helpful. That. And that I wanted to get to. That's a big piece of what I wanted to ask about. But are you saying that everyone has the capability, but it's a matter of whether or not they've learned to get in touch with it? Or are you saying that there's some people that just don't have the capability at all? They don't have that. Like, they're missing the machinery that other people have.

Magdalena Mystik [00:39:07]:
There are people that have the machinery, but they don't know how to use it for many different reasons. Call it trauma dramas. They're not in touch with it. And there are people that. That part of the machinery is so loud that they have no choice but to listen to it and follow it and fine tune it. It's not just having the machinery, it has to be a well oiled machine for it to work well. So it's, it's not only having it, but it's knowing how to use it and maintain it. And also, like I've asked myself, I've noticed that and this is something that I'm still exploring.

Magdalena Mystik [00:39:55]:
So it's, it's not a definitive answer. It's been an exploration. What is the difference between me saying a prayer and a mogul saying the same words? Because we're speaking the same words, so technically it should be the same thing. Right. The difference is that I was initiated in multiple lineages, which connects me to certain energetic currents that then back up my words. And those words have a different energetic imprint to them than the same words from a different person. Does that make sense?

Vision Battlesword [00:40:39]:
It does, yeah. And the word initiation or initiated is very meaningful to me because I've been, I've been beginning to learn about these initiation traditions. For me personally, it started with an exploration of Rosicrucianism. But I'm learning more about what you're saying now that, that initiation experience, how important that is to activating these capabilities, these potentials that we may have. But I still want a clear answer to my question, which is, is every human born with the potential to be a witch or a wizard or a sorcerer or. There's some people that are born with it and some people that just aren't.

Magdalena Mystik [00:41:27]:
The way I see it is like, compared to an artist. Can everyone paint? Yeah, everyone can paint. Everyone can grab a paintbrush and go on a wall and it's a spectrum.

Vision Battlesword [00:41:41]:
It's a spectrum of potential.

Magdalena Mystik [00:41:42]:
Exactly.

Vision Battlesword [00:41:43]:
Okay, yeah, but, yeah, so. So in the same way that people come into the world with different physical, natural talents and abilities, and some people are very tall and some people are short and some people are somewhere in between or whatever. It can. You could say the same thing about people's psychic and magical abilities, that there's a spectrum. And there's all different types of people who have different potentials starting out. But everyone has some capability to experience this part of the world, Is that what you're saying?

Magdalena Mystik [00:42:15]:
Yes. Okay, so for example, anyone can sage a room. Right. Anyone can grab a bundle of sage, light it and sage a room.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:25]:
Right.

Magdalena Mystik [00:42:25]:
But a true energy master can go into a room and without the sage, achieve the same outcome through manipulating the energy of the room and raising the vibration without the need of the tool.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:40]:
Right. And Probably. It also depends on, you know, even two different people burning sage in a room. There could be one person who's just going through the motions, like you said, and then another person who's using the tool in a much more effective and impactful way because of the intention that they're bringing to it, the deeper understanding they have of what's actually happening and how to, you know, in the same way that anyone could take a hammer and try to hit a nail, but a master carpenter is going to drive. Could drive that nail, you know, with the same hammer in one stroke, whereas someone else might hit it five times and kind of bend it a bit, just because of the level of experience and understanding and natural talent that they have for that particular art. Right. So I think that brings me back to, like, what you're saying about the Catholic mass and other rituals, many other religious or ceremonial ritualistic activities like that. What I was really curious about is can someone go through the motions? Can someone follow the recipe book, not understand really what it is that they're doing? Maybe even they don't really believe it in their heart.

Vision Battlesword [00:43:54]:
Or at the very least, they have. They don't have necessarily intentions that are in alignment with the ritual that they're performing. And yet nonetheless, just by following the steps, just by saying the correct words, by lighting the correct candles, by doing whatever it is that they're doing, they have successfully done magic. Is that possible? Or does it require something going on internally to be a true magic user?

Magdalena Mystik [00:44:20]:
I mean, by definition, yes, they did magic, they performed the spell, but if the right energy and the right intention is not there, then it's just a show. It doesn't have the power behind it to actually use the laws to transform or to perform an outcome. It's like going through the motions. But really, if there's no energy behind it, then it's just a show.

Vision Battlesword [00:44:48]:
That's kind of what I'm getting at is can someone go through the motions? Can someone just follow a. Follow directions or follow a recipe and successfully cast a spell that has. That actually achieves a result or has an outcome, or will that always and only be performative versus someone who is actually trained in, connected with the underlying powers and energies that make magic happen? Is that. Is that piece of it required? I guess so. One of the analogies that was, I was thinking of when you were talking earlier is to music, like, you can follow very specific directions. You know, like, let's say we're playing a melody on a keyboard, like, press this key, press this key. Press this key in this sequence, and you can play a song even though you have no idea what you're doing. And you could never do it again unless you were following those same directions that someone was giving you.

Vision Battlesword [00:45:45]:
But then there's, like. You could learn how to read sheet music, in which case, like, okay, now I can play the song based on following the recipe, so to speak. But I don't. I'm not really. I'm performing something, but I'm not really making music in the sense that it's not being internally generated. But then at a certain point, once I have gained a certain level of mastery with an instrument or with the musical theory, now I can play spontaneously. It's like what you were talking about previously, where you know the theory, you know the elements, as you called them. And I want to ask more questions about those elements, too.

Vision Battlesword [00:46:25]:
But I know the elements. I know what these things are supposed to do. I'm in touch with certain spirits and powers and energies that I've come to know are reliable in terms of having these results. And so I can sort of improvise. And that's sort of like, now I'm jamming, you know, or I'm. I'm. I'm playing music spontaneously where it's like I may go into a performance not knowing exactly what it is that I'm going to play. But I know generally I'm going.

Vision Battlesword [00:46:57]:
You know, there's going to be a melody and then there's going to be a solo, and then I'm going to, you know, give the. I'm going to give it over to the other. My other bandmate for a little while, and then they're going to throw it back to me, and we're going to see what comes out. And at the end of the day, it's going to be music. So kind of what I'm getting at here is like, I know that the improvisational thing is definitely magic and has real results, but can someone do. Can someone actually do magic if all they know how to do is read sheet music and play the instrument? If they're not really. If it's not really happening for them in their heart or in their mind?

Magdalena Mystik [00:47:34]:
I guess in that same way, in my opinion, no.

Vision Battlesword [00:47:37]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [00:47:38]:
To use your same analogy, if someone is reading sheet music and just doing the mechanical things of hitting the keyboard, it sounds differently than when someone has their. It's their passion and their heart, and they know the song. And this age just sounds different. And the way we perceive the person listening to it, there's a difference in the energy of one versus the other. And so at the end of the day, it might be the same song. But what makes some musicians great over others, you can argue like, okay, maybe one practice more. But even the act of practicing, they're putting more energy into it. They're putting more intention in that shows.

Magdalena Mystik [00:48:31]:
So. Yeah. Can someone do the motions and do a spell? Yeah. Is it gonna work the same? Perhaps not. Probably not.

Vision Battlesword [00:48:41]:
Interesting. Okay, but someone who knows those principles and knows how to perform magic could make a potion, could use some sort of a magical recipe to create something that then someone who doesn't know anything about magic and doesn't need to know anything about magic could nonetheless consume or give that to another person. And that's still going to have a magical effect, right?

Magdalena Mystik [00:49:11]:
Yeah, absolutely. That's what I do with my potions.

Vision Battlesword [00:49:14]:
Right. So there is a way to kind of make magic accessible to a non magic user. You can create. There are certain things, artifacts, you know, material creations that convey magic. You know, allow someone to have a magical experience without necessarily knowing how to do magic. Are there other examples besides potions?

Magdalena Mystik [00:49:40]:
I mean, it's, it's a similar example. But candles, for example, that can, it can be used. Amulets.

Vision Battlesword [00:49:49]:
What about crystals?

Magdalena Mystik [00:49:50]:
Crystals too. Someone can embed certain frequency into a crystal and then give that to someone else. And that other person, maybe if they're sensitive to energy, they can harness the energy that God embedded into the crystal.

Vision Battlesword [00:50:11]:
So there can be magical objects?

Magdalena Mystik [00:50:13]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:50:14]:
Talismans, totems, things like that?

Magdalena Mystik [00:50:17]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:50:17]:
Cool. What is a spell? We've been using the word a lot and I've been wanting to define it all this time, but I'm like, help me, help me encapsulate that. When we say a spell, what is.

Magdalena Mystik [00:50:30]:
That one word definition? It's a recipe.

Vision Battlesword [00:50:34]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [00:50:34]:
It's a formula, an algorithm to achieve a certain outcome.

Vision Battlesword [00:50:42]:
So, yeah. Okay. It reminds me of like the word spell. If we just take it as a. Like the literal definition, it means the sequence of letters that make up a word. Which is like spelling. Yeah, spelling. Like the encapsulation of a concept.

Vision Battlesword [00:50:58]:
So do those words have anything to do with each other? Do we use the word spell to refer to magic for the same reason? Because it's like a sequence that creates a meaning or creates like an informational construct. Is that what it is?

Magdalena Mystik [00:51:17]:
I hadn't thought about it that way, but that makes sense to me.

Vision Battlesword [00:51:22]:
Why do we say a spell is something that is cast?

Magdalena Mystik [00:51:26]:
Because it is put out, it's thrown out. Into the world, into its energy that is directed. So that is the casting, it's putting it out there. The direction of energy, whether that is a person, you can cast a spell towards a person or just you cast it out in the universe, which is more of a. And you could say a prayer is casted out into the universe. Some prayers are spells.

Vision Battlesword [00:52:03]:
Yeah. I was just going to ask you. What's the difference between a prayer and a spell?

Magdalena Mystik [00:52:07]:
There are prayers where we are asking for something depends on the prayer. If it's from a certain religion or if it's just someone saying a prayer from their heart that is not necessarily a prayer that they took from a certain tradition or organized religion is an ask of a blessing, of healing of something. But there are also prayers of gratitude where you're not actually wanting to receive something, you are sending the energy out. Spells don't really have that. You don't spell gratitude. You don't do a spell for gratitude. You do offerings, which is a little different.

Vision Battlesword [00:52:57]:
Why do you do an offering?

Magdalena Mystik [00:52:59]:
To maintain that the universal law of equilibrium, you know, give and take. As you are asking to receive something, you're offering something in exchange. So there's that sacred reciprocity.

Vision Battlesword [00:53:16]:
Okay, so that maintains that energetic balance that we were talking about before.

Magdalena Mystik [00:53:20]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:53:21]:
So you want to do some offerings? You do. You do those offerings proactively to kind of put money in the bank, so to speak, for when you would like to do a prayer or a spell later.

Magdalena Mystik [00:53:31]:
You can. I mean, it can be as simple as expressing gratitude. Gratitude is, I see it, as is the currency of the universe. The more gratitude that we feel, the more blessings we get. And of course, it's not like, oh, well, I'm gonna feel grateful, so I get more. And there's. There's a little muddling of the energetics there. And at the same time, that's.

Magdalena Mystik [00:53:57]:
That's just how balance is achieved. That's how this universe works. You know, the darkness and the light are. They're both there and they're in perfect equilibrium, even though it might not seem that way.

Vision Battlesword [00:54:11]:
Okay, I think I'm getting it. So it seems to me, based on what you're saying, that offers are more like a generalized giving of positive energy to the universe, just as a part of sacred reciprocity, Maintaining that balance being, you know, being kind of in good standing, you know, with. With the spirits and with the energies of the universe. And then prayers are invitations or. Or openings or requests to receive blessings. But spells are more explicit. So a prayer may be I would love, I would like to receive this blessing. I'm hopeful, you know, to call this in.

Vision Battlesword [00:54:59]:
I would welcome this from the universe or whatever. A spell, on the other hand is more. This is what I'm looking for. This thing right here, this specific piece. I would like to have that happen. I'm making that happen. So it's, it's more directly. I'm going to use the word manipulative, but I don't mean that in the, in a negative way, just in more of a literal way.

Vision Battlesword [00:55:22]:
A spell is more of, I'm placing my order, I'm expecting it to be delivered. Whereas a prayer is more open ended in the sense of I would be grateful to receive and in fact, I am grateful and here's my offer of gratitude. Am I getting that right in terms of like what spells are like compared to prayers?

Magdalena Mystik [00:55:42]:
Yes. And at the same time, a spell can be also more open and more generic.

Vision Battlesword [00:55:50]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [00:55:51]:
It doesn't have to be so specific. Okay, but it can be. But also a prayer can be, you know, like, hey, universe, God, whatever is out there, I need $500 to pay my rent next month. You know, that could be a prayer, right?

Vision Battlesword [00:56:12]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [00:56:13]:
Or you could just ask for abundance and then it might show up as someone offering you a free meal or gifting you a trip out of nowhere or which is more open ended, which. The openness of that also opens the possibilities. So when we are so specific, like in the first example of I need send me $500 for my rent next month, maybe there was another possibility where I was going to receive 5,000. But then the universe was like, okay, you asked for 500, I'll keep the change. You know, there you go. Just be open to possibilities. Because our knowledge is so limited, we're limited by our perceptions, our beliefs, by our cultural conditioning. And there is so much out there that we can't possibly comprehend or even know that exists.

Magdalena Mystik [00:57:28]:
So we are limited, limiting ourselves if we get that specific.

Vision Battlesword [00:57:36]:
Okay, where does the power for magic come from? Like you've, you've used the word power a few times. We've used the word energy a lot. I'm starting to get clear, I think a little bit about what a spell is. I, I'm getting that there's different ways that a spell can be created and can come in the form of a ritual. It can be a ceremony, it can be something that happens, just internal. It can sometimes have an herbal or chemical or medicinal component to it. But in general, it's a recipe or a sequence that we're putting together or following because of a specific intention that we have. What power exactly are we calling on to create that outcome?

Magdalena Mystik [00:58:27]:
It depends on what type of magic someone is performing.

Vision Battlesword [00:58:31]:
Oh, now we have different types of magic.

Magdalena Mystik [00:58:33]:
Oh, yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:58:33]:
Okay, tell me more.

Magdalena Mystik [00:58:35]:
There's different deities that can be summoned to bring their energy to back, quote, unquote, back the spell. For example, for a cord cutting, Archangel Michael is known for having that big sword and being a protector. And someone can use that energetic imprint, energetic frequency to ask for help and kind of channel that energy into the spell. That very specific energetic frequencies, like inviting Archangel Michael into the party to bring the sword to cut those energetic cords, versus if you invited, like Mary Magdalene, for example, has a different energetic imprint to her, or just say Virgin Mary, Mother Mary, you wouldn't call upon her for this type of skills spell because her energetic imprint is different. So if you are asking for healing of the inner child, for example, casting a spell to help someone heal their inner child, you would call upon Mother Mary and her energy to soothe that inner child. Does that, does that make any sense at all? It's like you're. You're inviting different people to the party because they have different gifts that they bring.

Vision Battlesword [01:00:18]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [01:00:19]:
So you're inviting that energy in and in combination with the person, the magician or the witch or the wizard that is performing is backed up by these different energies that amplifies the personal energetic imprint of the person that is casting the spell.

Vision Battlesword [01:00:40]:
Are there other sources of power for magic other than beings?

Magdalena Mystik [01:00:45]:
Yes, that can be summoned, like the herbs, for example.

Vision Battlesword [01:00:48]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [01:00:48]:
They have their own energetic imprint.

Vision Battlesword [01:00:51]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [01:00:52]:
So yeah, there's deities, there's tools, like you were saying, totems, talismans. There are sigils which have.

Vision Battlesword [01:01:02]:
A sigil is like an icon or a, A symbol. Is that what it is?

Magdalena Mystik [01:01:07]:
Yeah. I, I explain it to people as there's two different kinds of sigils. One is like, again, imagine it's the logo. It's someone's logo. Oh, so no, Nike's sigil is the swoosh. Yeah, that thing, the swoosh. So if you wanted to call upon Nike into the spell, you would put the swoosh as part of the spell in a candle, for example. So if you want to call upon Archangel Michael and imprint energy, Archangels Michael's energy into an object or a spell, you.

Magdalena Mystik [01:01:51]:
You bring in Archangel's Michael sigil or logo, which then embeds his energetic imprint into it.

Vision Battlesword [01:02:00]:
Wow. I never thought of that as an incredibly practical reason why we say don't wear logos or symbols or words or graphics in ceremony, because I could be calling in the spirit of Pepsi Cola or the sigil that I'm sporting while I go into that powerful, you know, spiritual place. That's interesting. Okay, and then what about just like, I don't know, less personal? Are there. Are there sources of energy? What about ley lines? What about energetic vortices? What about, you know, are there. Are there sources of energy that aren't necessarily beings or consciousnesses or such specific symbols or totems?

Magdalena Mystik [01:02:52]:
Yes, the elements. Native Americans. There's a lot of cultures that for thousands of years have used elements. Each element has its own energetic imprint, and they're very powerful. I mean, everyone has experienced the power of a thunderstorm. We can see it, we can feel it, we can hear it. That's not like looking at a sage leave and believing that, you know, oh, it's going to clear the energy. Like, it's literally throwing things around and burning things with lightning.

Magdalena Mystik [01:03:30]:
And that energy can be also used to back up a spell or a ritual, like the Native Americans do, for example, or the Aztecs. You know, if you want to talk more about the Aztecs, the madness, for example, they had those deities that were in combination with the elements. Like Tlaloc was the God of water and storms. So when they needed the water for their crops, they would give offerings to Tlaloc. I mean, those are more evident forces because we have. It doesn't matter who you are and what you believe. You've seen a storm. You know they're real, and you can feel its power and the energy behind them.

Vision Battlesword [01:04:19]:
I don't know if this is an inappropriate question, and you can feel free to answer or not answer, because I don't know if I'm. I don't know where taboo territory can be in these. In these worlds that we're exploring here, but. Who are your sky homies? Is it. Is it okay to ask that?

Magdalena Mystik [01:04:38]:
Yes. I have a team, and I've been acquiring new team members. As I have achieved certain points in my spiritual journey, and also as I've been helping different people, I need different energies behind me to be able to serve specific people. So, I mean, do you literally want me to name them? Because I can.

Vision Battlesword [01:05:10]:
I was curious. I'm just. I'm curious. I've heard you. I've heard you refer to the sky homies so many times.

Magdalena Mystik [01:05:17]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:05:17]:
Over these years that we've known each other, but I just. I don't know who they are. I've got this Idea in my mind that looks kind of like aliens and angels and just like glowing orbs and stuff. So I don't know what. Who are the sky homies?

Magdalena Mystik [01:05:32]:
Yeah. So the first one that I got to learn about and know very well is my guardian angel, and his name is Donatello. And he helps me find parking spots. It's the funniest thing. And I have friends that now call him to help them find parking spots. And it's the weirdest thing. Can be a holiday, you know, crazy time Christmas, going around the mall, everyone's parking on the highway. And I know that I'm gonna find a place close to the entrance.

Magdalena Mystik [01:06:08]:
And I just go for it. And there it is. Like, as I'm driving through, someone's leaving. I was like, gracias, Donatello. He speaks Spanish and then along the way, I got to know another guardian angel of mine that is more of a female presence. But I don't have. I know she's there, but I don't have that back and forth communication with her like I do with Donatello. And Merlin is one of my sky homies.

Magdalena Mystik [01:06:42]:
And I consult upon him when I have questions about magic or when I'm actually in ritual or in spells and I'm not sure what to use. Or I'm like, hey. And I had a teacher that could channel a lot of my homies, and it was really, really interesting to actually hear them talk through someone and know that they had the same energetic imprint in the same tone of voice through the other person than they have in my head. It's fascinating. Yeah, fascinating. Kal is another of my guides. He shows up in my ceremonies when I'm sitting with medicine always and just flying around the room. And he's.

Magdalena Mystik [01:07:41]:
I also call upon him for protection and guidance. And, you know, in. In some of the Mesoamerican traditions is the. That, like, Jesus, like, savior figure. Long story short, there's. There's more. There's a lot more. There's at least five or six more.

Magdalena Mystik [01:08:03]:
They. They show up at different times, depending on what's happening in my life, but they also show us up collective. And I have. I experienced the world in a way that I'm not sure. When I was younger, I thought I was crazy. I even asked one of my therapists if they thought I was schizophrenic, and he laughed. And he said, I would have told you a long time ago if that was the case, because I hear voices, and I can walk into a room and perceive things in a way where I can. This is really hard to describe, so.

Magdalena Mystik [01:08:46]:
Because it's more of a feeling. But I can tell you the quality of the energetic imprint of the room. And if there are other beings in it, sometimes I can tell you who those beings are. Not all the time, but sometimes I can in their intentions, too. Sometimes they communicate with me like I'm talking with you. Sometimes it's more of a presence, and I can sense the energy, and I can sense if it feels threatening or not, or more of a protection type of energy. And as I'm walking through life, there's. It's on and off.

Magdalena Mystik [01:09:31]:
It's not all the time, but there's like a narrator team there that is telling me sometimes what to do. Or, like, for example, it's happened where I am shopping, and I get this. It starts like bells. I hear bells in one of my ears. And then if I'm like, I'm shopping here. Come on, give me a break. If I don't listen, if I don't take a minute to actually tune into that frequency and listen, it turns into a very high pitch where it's deafening. And I'm like, ah, okay, okay, I'm here.

Magdalena Mystik [01:10:12]:
What do you. What do you want right now? And it's been to where they've told me, like, go tell this person X, Y, and Z. And now I know better than to not do it or try to translate what they're telling me. Like, I have to say it verbatim, because if I try to change something, it just doesn't work and it doesn't resonate. I've had people in tears or, like, how do you know that? Or where did that come from? And it's been a process for me of learning when to do it, when it's appropriate, when it's not. And there's also the free will and the consent component. Like, I've asked people, okay, I. I have a message for you.

Magdalena Mystik [01:11:07]:
Do you want to hear it? And there's people that have said no. And I learned that the hard way. Like, I used to just go up to someone and blurt out what they told me to. And then as I started getting trained in different modalities, I'm like, well, consent is important. So I start learning to ask the person and respect when they say no. Sometimes it's a relief because I really don't want to do it. So I'm like, hey, I tried. They said no.

Magdalena Mystik [01:11:39]:
They come as a collective. And sometimes the messages don't make sense at all in my logical mind, because I'M very logical as well. Oh, I'm a retired engineer, but my brain still works that way, Very much structure in that way. And I have learned that when my mind gets on the way, it stops the magic. So it's been a process of learning when the mind is valuable and when it gets on the way. That was a very long answer.

Vision Battlesword [01:12:18]:
Yeah. I love that you got into the flow with that. That was really interesting and beautiful. I want to investigate these beings, these sky homies, and with these entities and these consciousnesses. Well, I guess that's actually my question. I mean, I'm gathering, based on what you're saying, that I have an intuition as to what your answers are, but I want to be explicit about it when you talk about. I'd like to investigate the cord cutting specifically, just as, like a case study of magic, how magic works and what we do with it. When you're talking about Archangel Michael being someone that we would call on to provide the power to provide a very specific gift, skill set for that type of magic to achieve that result for a person.

Vision Battlesword [01:13:12]:
Do we believe that Archangel Michael is a consciousness, an intelligent consciousness like us? Or is that more of a metaphor, something that we use? Is that. Is that more of like a representation, personification that we use to kind of wrap our limited three dimensional human minds around something that we really can't fully grasp or fully understand? We know it's a source of power. We know it has these kind of attributes to its powerfulness, and we call it Archangel Michael, and we may even cast a vision of what that being looks like or have a story about where that being comes from and stuff. How real is that? That's my question to you. Like, is Archangel Michael like, a person in the way that we are, or is it something completely different, like, from a different dimension of reality that we just do our best to understand through a metaphor?

Magdalena Mystik [01:14:20]:
I don't believe that there's a realm where there's an actual guy that's muscular with big wings and a sword. And I pick up the cosmic telephone and say, hey, Mike, let me send you. Here's your flight number. I got you a ticket. The way I perceive it is more like a consciousness, like I was saying, an energetic imprint. And the way it physically looks is something that we made up along the way. And when I think about him in my mind, I see that blonde guy with the curls and the buff chest, and that is a representation. And whether that is actually real or not, that could be argued many different ways, because it's real to Me.

Magdalena Mystik [01:15:26]:
So the power of belief, you know, like you were talking about, the power of the mind is real and very powerful. There's also the collective belief that there is this energy, this being that does X, Y and Z. So that amplifies its energy. And it's not the same as, you know, Donatello only exists in my head. But Archangel Michael is an archetype that is believed to be real by many. So in my book, that amplifies its quote, unquote realness. And of course, it's not a physical thing, it's not a material thing, but I believe it's a. An energetic imprint that exists somewhere.

Magdalena Mystik [01:16:20]:
Whether that somewhere is our mind, perhaps. Yeah. And with a lot of these topics, people say they know, people think they know. And what I believe is that nobody really knows. You know, we can tell ourselves lots of stories and there's the mysteries that are limited human minds try to understand and explain. But there are other realities there that we think we might know, but I don't think we will ever 100% know. So I hold all these beliefs lightly because I grew up, I was raised Catholic under the Opus dei, which is a very strict conservative branch of the Catholic Church. And where everything is absolute truth.

Magdalena Mystik [01:17:23]:
And I don't believe in that. I don't think anything is absolute truth out there. There are very few that are. So maybe it's because of my own religious upbringing that I don't practice anymore. I'm actually on the completely opposite end of the spectrum. I like to hold all these beliefs lightly and know that there. There is what I know, there is what I think I know, what I know I don't know, and what I don't know, I don't know. And everything else.

Vision Battlesword [01:17:59]:
The known knowns, the unknown knowns.

Magdalena Mystik [01:18:02]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [01:18:02]:
And so forth. When we're doing a cord cutting ceremony, spell ritual, what is a chord between people? I think most of us sort of understand the idea of it as this. Like you use the word a tying spell. Earlier in one of the things that we were talking about, I was thinking of. There's another word that I've heard which is binding. Binding spell.

Magdalena Mystik [01:18:30]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [01:18:31]:
So we can. But nonetheless, whether we've cast spells on each other for that explicit purpose or not, we nonetheless can become entangled or connected energetically. Even if we try to separate, even if we do successfully separate physically, there can be this something between us that is somehow keeping us together or is somehow creating an exchange of energy between us. Maybe one person feels like they're draining the other, or at the Very least, there's a connection that we can't seem to let go of or get rid of. Why does that happen? Where does, where does that come from? And yeah, can you just tell me more about cords, energetic cords and what they are and what they mean?

Magdalena Mystik [01:19:18]:
I think you, you described it in a, in a very practical way. They are entanglements, their attachments. Now we as humans have this need to live in tribes and we resonate more with certain people than with others for many different reasons. And when we are in relationship with others, any kind of relationship, there is an attachment. And specifically with romantic partners or sexual partners, the energetic attachments that get created when someone has intimacy, whether that's physical or energetic, there is a deeper entanglement between those two people because of the. Especially if it's physical. When we have sex with other people, there's an energetic exchange. There's biological exchanges that happen too.

Magdalena Mystik [01:20:32]:
And there's a certain energetic attunement that our nervous systems co. Regulate when we're having sex or hopefully, I mean, if it's a, if it's a good experience, if someone, if the people are in tune with each other. So that creates a deeper attachment and that has different layers. So there is a mental attachment, there's a physical attachment. There's, you know, we have a certain attraction to other people that sometimes we can't explain whether that's pheromones, there's some physiological. There. Some people say, I look at this person person and I despise them, but I can't stop thinking about them. What is it about that? Or I'm not even physically attracted to them or this is not someone that I would normally be attracted to and yet I can't stop thinking about them.

Vision Battlesword [01:21:28]:
I wanted to bring up the chemical layer. As you were talking several times, you mentioned physical, biological, and then you said pheromones. And I'm like, I've got to jump in here and say like, yeah, I mean, when we, when we have sex, we're exchanging a lot of information. And you could even say, I mean, people sometimes say like, sex is like a drug in a very real way. Right. We're literally exchanging chemicals and becoming chemically entangled as well as that nervous system co regulation and imprinting that we do with and for each other that you're talking about. So there's the, there's the psychological layer, there's the emotional layer, there's the physical layer, the chemical layer, and then what. So this piece about energy and is there a spiritual component to these Chords.

Vision Battlesword [01:22:20]:
Where I'm really going with this is, why do we need magic to do this? And how would you answer someone who thinks of these cords or these attachments as a purely psychological phenomenon?

Magdalena Mystik [01:22:34]:
What I would argue there is that perhaps with the performing of the ritual, there is an actual signaling to the mind that that entanglement is over. So whether you believe our magic or not the mind, it's signaling the mind. Hey, this process is complete. So from that perspective, you could say, well, yeah, it's. It was like blowing the candle on a cake. Do people know or think that they're actually performing magic? Most people don't, but yet it's their birthday, and they do it, and they believe in it. So there is the belief component there. And it can be as simple as that.

Magdalena Mystik [01:23:24]:
Okay. This is just symbolizing the end of that attachment, of that relationship, of that entanglement. But also on the energetic, spiritual level, you know, this is when you start getting into karmic relationships and twin flames and all that. It's. The way I can best describe it is like you are finalizing a contract. You saying, I am complete with this person. Thank you. And.

Magdalena Mystik [01:24:01]:
And I. The way I perform the cord cutting, I call them ceremonies because it's a whole process. And I created that. So it's not like someone taught me that and gave me the recipe and I got it from a book. I. I created this process based on my experience. And it's. It's a different combination of different practices and different lineages.

Magdalena Mystik [01:24:29]:
So it's like a mud of lineages. I address all the different layers that you described. It's not just a spell or just a ritual or just energy work there. I address the psychological component and the emotional component, not the chemical. I can't do anything about that. But it's a whole process.

Vision Battlesword [01:24:51]:
Maybe with a potion of some kind. Huh?

Magdalena Mystik [01:24:52]:
I mean, there are.

Vision Battlesword [01:24:54]:
That would be a. That would be a good product to help people to disconnect from each other chemically, because that is a real thing. Yeah, I think that is a big part of this is. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you, and I'm kind of going on a little soapbox here. But I really think that's a big part of some of these attachments that we have with people, is that chemical compatibility is so important and so powerful. Don't you think?

Magdalena Mystik [01:25:20]:
Absolutely.

Vision Battlesword [01:25:21]:
It's like one of those things where it's one of those underlying foundations, I think, to that experience that you described, where it's like, I don't even like this person, but I am. I cannot stop thinking about them. I'm so attracted to them. Or, like, whatever I like. I just want to be in their presence. I definitely think there's a big chemical and pheromone component to all that. And it has something to do with, like, our biological or genetic compatibility. Like, our genes are basically flirting with each other.

Magdalena Mystik [01:25:53]:
Yeah, let's make babies.

Vision Battlesword [01:25:54]:
Yeah, exactly.

Magdalena Mystik [01:25:55]:
Yeah. Yeah. It's a primitive part of our physiology for preservation, but important, too.

Vision Battlesword [01:26:02]:
I mean, like, those signals are so important because, you know, the opposite could be true when you're in a relationship with someone where. God. I mean, it seems like this should work, right? Like, we like the same things. We've shared the same values. We're compatible in all these different ways. Like, like on paper, but our bodies just are not. Are not vibing, you know, are not getting along. And it's weird.

Vision Battlesword [01:26:26]:
It's like those unspoken, almost unspeakable kind of aspects of human relating where you're either, you know, your bodies are either drawn to each other or can sometimes be repelled by each other or are just indifferent. And I think there's so much tension and conflict that comes up in all types of relationships, not just romantic ones, but in all types of relationships that are. That are just about. That. It's just about. I don't like the way you smell, but I can't exactly articulate that. And I'm not even necessarily conscious of it.

Magdalena Mystik [01:27:01]:
Absolutely.

Vision Battlesword [01:27:02]:
You know what I mean?

Magdalena Mystik [01:27:02]:
It takes a lot of awareness to be able to be conscious and recognize that. Or even a facial expression that maybe reminds you of your judgmental mother.

Vision Battlesword [01:27:14]:
Yeah.

Magdalena Mystik [01:27:15]:
For example. And we're not aware of those triggers. To answer your question. There are products for attraction. There are spells that I am. I'm aware that they exist. I've never performed one. But as part of the Mexican curanderismo that I got trained under, I know there's a spell, and there's even this folk knowledge.

Magdalena Mystik [01:27:42]:
And it's a darle toloache. And it's a drink that you give someone that you want them to be attractive to you. And in that drink, the woman puts their menstruation blood. And that is believed that that will get them obsessed with you.

Vision Battlesword [01:28:02]:
Does it work?

Magdalena Mystik [01:28:03]:
Attract? I don't know. I've never tried it.

Vision Battlesword [01:28:06]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [01:28:07]:
Because it fall in. In my opinion, it falls under that black magic manipulation.

Vision Battlesword [01:28:12]:
Yeah. That would be like a love potion. Like the classic love potion that we would talk about from, you know, fantasy stories and things. Right.

Magdalena Mystik [01:28:20]:
Yeah. But I don't know if there's, like, a garlic perfume that you can give someone, like, hey, please wear this so I can stand your smell, and I stay away from you.

Vision Battlesword [01:28:32]:
That would be one approach. I was thinking more along the lines of something to neutralize. Like, if you could. If you made a potion that somehow would neutralize or purify the chemical entanglement. Once, like, once it's been created, like, once people have exchanged fluids, it's like, okay, now there's an aspect. There's a. There's a literal, physical aspect of a. Of a cord, metaphorically speaking, that connects us.

Vision Battlesword [01:28:57]:
I'm. This is all just coming up for me in this moment and never occurred to me before, but, like, how helpful that could be to have an anti love potion, which isn't to say, like, I want to drink something that makes me hate a person, but that it would nullify that entanglement that we had created from that type of intimacy that we shared at the chemical level. That'd be kind of interesting. But that's kind of a sidetrack from what I. What I really want to know about is these energetic spiritual cords and how the magic. Okay, so let's start with this. You can perceive energy, Drew.

Magdalena Mystik [01:29:32]:
True.

Vision Battlesword [01:29:33]:
Can you see cords, or can you perceive them? Can you sense them?

Magdalena Mystik [01:29:36]:
I feel them. I don't.

Vision Battlesword [01:29:39]:
So you can sort of tell when there's a strong, energetic bond between people. Does that factor into how you create a specific ceremony or ritual for cord cutting for a client?

Magdalena Mystik [01:29:53]:
Yes, because the. As part of the process, we have a conversation where we agree on which courts want to be released.

Vision Battlesword [01:30:05]:
I see.

Magdalena Mystik [01:30:06]:
Because we all have many courts, and there are some people that want blank slate and say, I don't care what's in there. Just get rid of them all. And some people might be, for example, in a happy relationship now, and somehow they keep seeing their ex and their dreams, for example. So there was like, hey, there's. Let's just simplify it here. There's two chords there. There's my current, actual relationship that I'm happy with. But there is this also discord from my ex of five years.

Magdalena Mystik [01:30:41]:
And even though I don't want to be with that person, there's still that ghost lingering that's showing up in my dreams. So I don't want you to just empty all my cords. I would like to preserve that connection that I have with my current partner, just not with the last one. So there's. When I go in there, I can sense the different Energetic properties of each cord and know which one to release.

Vision Battlesword [01:31:08]:
Now, what do these cords do while they're still attached or connected between people?

Magdalena Mystik [01:31:14]:
They're like tubes that. And this is how I perceive them. Okay. Other people might perceive them differently, but they're like pipes where information gets exchanged. And that information is energy and it manifests in different ways for different people. So for some people, it's more of a mental thing, like, oh, I can't stop thinking about it about them. For some people, it's more on in dreams. Like they keep showing up on my dreams or.

Magdalena Mystik [01:31:44]:
Yeah, I guess those are the two main ones.

Vision Battlesword [01:31:47]:
Can one person, like actually siphon energy, like vitality?

Magdalena Mystik [01:31:52]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [01:31:52]:
From the other. Because I've heard of that as being one of the reasons why people feel they want to let go of cords. Like somehow there's like this energy vampire out there stealing my life force.

Magdalena Mystik [01:32:05]:
Yeah, that. That is possible. You know how there are certain people that when you spend time with them, you feel more energized and more vibrant and happier. And some people are like, oh, I can't wait to get away because I'm just tired and they're draining me. You could argue this in two different ways. And depends on how people believe that the energetic system works is one or the other. If we go back to the universal laws or the hermetic principle, it's like energy attracts a certain energetic frequency, attracts the same, you know. So we go back to the tuning fork experiment where you have a tuning fork that's vibrating at 456Hz and then you tap it and if you put a tuning fork in front of it that it's tuned to the 456 hertz, then it's going to start vibrating even if you don't touch it.

Magdalena Mystik [01:33:14]:
But if it's attuned to 333, I'm just making numbers up. It's not going to move. So under that principle, you could argue that if we meet someone and we feel like an energy is getting drained, or we feel tired, whatever is showing up, it's in us and it's just matching the energy of the other person. So that's one belief. Or on the other side, you could say that someone has a specific energy level frequency in someone else, like the moth getting attracted to the light. You know, if someone is lacking that energy and it's deficient and it's getting close to someone that has an energy, that they can siphon that energy and therefore raise theirs and lower the other person's energy Possibly there are. I think it's more nuanced than that, and probably it's somewhere in between the two. In a more practical way, if let's say that an ex is spreading rumors around the community, even if they're not talking to the person directly anymore, there is this energy out there that is causing this lowering of the vibration of the person that is being talked about.

Magdalena Mystik [01:34:50]:
So in an indirect way, you could say that that is siphoning this person's energy through these rumors. So that could be an example. There's also people that believe that there are shamans in the jungle, specifically in South America, whether that's Colombia especially. I've heard it specifically more talked about Colombia in some parts of the Amazon, that some shamans who are magicians, some sham not because someone is a shaman, it means that they're intrinsically good. There are some people that understand the laws, the universal laws, and are energy masters and choose to manipulate the energy to their advantage. And I've heard stories of shamans placing those cords into the people that they facilitate for and then siphoning that energy towards them to amplify their power. I had a client three weeks ago that I was doing energy work on that had a big hole on the ribs on one side, and it felt like that was the port to where something or someone was leeching from their energy and so much. I didn't know this until after.

Magdalena Mystik [01:36:29]:
The day after the session. They told me that they had been in a lot of pain, physical pain on the left side, and that after the session, that side was no longer in pain and it was really loose. But where that came from, I have no idea.

Vision Battlesword [01:36:44]:
Interesting.

Magdalena Mystik [01:36:45]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:36:46]:
That piece about facilitation and shaman and magic users and those energetic cords that can get created between the facilitator and the client reminds me of something that happened for me where I went in for just a kind of a routine energy cleanup session with Kevin, our mutual friend and my personal shaman. And this was. This was in a period where I was facilitating for, you know, many people every month and hadn't, you know, hadn't had a session like that in quite a while. Many months, maybe, maybe more than a year or so. And I went in and Kevin cleaned me up, and he said, you know, you really. You have to stop letting people attach to you while you're serving them. And I said, I don't. I'm not aware that I'm doing that.

Vision Battlesword [01:37:37]:
And he said, well, then that's the problem, because you had like 50 or 60 people attached to you that were, you know, drawing a little bit from you that, you know, you had served and connected with in that service, but then you didn't clean that up at the end and you just kind of let them move on with their life, but with that little tiny cord connected to you and they're, you know, they're drawing a little bit of strength from you, but that's not appropriate and that's not sustainable for you. And that was really interesting to me. I never thought about that before, but I certainly felt a lot better after that session and took some new ideas and intentions for to create some form of closure, you know, at the end of every session that I may have with someone where I'm trying to help them in some way. Does that true for you as well? Do you notice that you need to be conscious of when you have that kind of a relationship, you know, serving or performing some kind of energetic service for, or magical service for someone that you have to then kind of do your own self care, your own energetic maintenance to maintain those boundaries?

Magdalena Mystik [01:38:49]:
Oh, absolutely. And that has been part of my. I have learned that the hard way as I have been working with people. Because if you think about it, when there's a facilitator, participant or healer client, there is a power differential there and there's an agreement. And even though hopefully there is sovereignty and free will involved, there is an intrinsic power differential there and there's transference and counter transference. And that energetic exchange has to be there for the service or the ritual, whatever to happen. But it's, it's like we are. This might be a silly example, but it, it's like we are creating these agreements with these people in their open ended agreements to where we are giving our services, our energy, our gifts to them.

Magdalena Mystik [01:39:58]:
And it's meant to be for a limited amount of time. But if we're not intentional and specific about that, it's like giving someone a password that it doesn't have an expiration date, right? Or giving someone the key to your house versus giving them a code that is valid for a day only. So with that, for example, for me, I know that if I have a session with someone, whatever type of session, I have to shower afterwards. And if I don't, the next morning I wake up with a very nasty migraine and I can't get out of bed. And this sounds crazy, but it's, I've tested it. I've like, oh, is this, is, is this in my head? Is this psychosomatic? Am I making this up? But it's. It's true for me. So I become more intentional.

Magdalena Mystik [01:40:59]:
And even going in. Into a session with someone, I go in. The best way I can describe it is like I'm swimming. I take a dive into their ocean of their energy, but I'm going in with a suit where I'm not getting wet. Like, I can perceive everything, I can explore everything, but I'm not taking it on. I'm a visitor. I don't get entangled because otherwise it's not. I'm not doing anyone a favor, and it's detrimental to my own energy.

Magdalena Mystik [01:41:38]:
And I used to do that at the beginning when I was learning, and it was not sustainable, like you said. So I learned that there's a practice from Mexican curanderismo, this little powder that you can put in your hands, in the palm of your hands, before you work on anyone, before you touch them. And it's like a. It's a physical bearer, but there's also the energetic, spiritual, magical component to it that blocks the transference of energy of that person that I'm touching into my energetic field. And I can sample their energy without actually consuming it and getting entangled. Does that make sense?

Vision Battlesword [01:42:24]:
Yeah, yeah. I'm imagining it's sort of the magical equivalent or the witchcraft, wizardry equivalent of latex examination gloves at the doctor's office.

Magdalena Mystik [01:42:37]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [01:42:38]:
Yeah, yeah, Gotcha. Fascinating. Well, I've got a couple more questions, and I also know that we're kind of coming up on time and you've got things to do and places to go. I did want to ask you really quickly, though, about religion, if that's okay. You mentioned very early on, we were talking about all these different terms like wizard and sorcerer and magician and magic user. The word Wiccan came up. And then also you mentioned at some point about halfway through our conversation, we talked about just the popularity of, I don't know what you want to call it, witch culture, or, you know, this idea of witchiness being kind of in vogue or popular. But then there's also, I think, some confusion.

Vision Battlesword [01:43:27]:
At least. At least I have some confusion about the difference between witchcraft and Wicca. And do I understand correctly that Wicca is a religion and does not necessarily have to do with witchcraft per se? Or am I getting. Or are they. Do they overlap or are they two different things, or does one contain the other? Help. Help me understand that.

Magdalena Mystik [01:43:53]:
So Wicca is a religion, and not all witches are Wiccan. So the witches that are Wiccan follow a specific set of structures and rules. And beliefs, trying to find a Christian analogy for it, but I want to get in trouble, so.

Vision Battlesword [01:44:14]:
Well, not. You say not all witches are Wiccan. Are all Wiccans. Witches are all Wiccans. Practice practitioners of magic.

Magdalena Mystik [01:44:24]:
I believe so.

Vision Battlesword [01:44:25]:
I see. So it. So Wicca is inherently a magical religion.

Magdalena Mystik [01:44:29]:
I believe so.

Vision Battlesword [01:44:30]:
I see.

Magdalena Mystik [01:44:31]:
But I'm not. I can't say that with confidence.

Vision Battlesword [01:44:34]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [01:44:35]:
Because I'm not 100% sure it is my understanding.

Vision Battlesword [01:44:38]:
Okay. Do you follow any particular religion?

Magdalena Mystik [01:44:42]:
I do not.

Vision Battlesword [01:44:43]:
Okay.

Magdalena Mystik [01:44:43]:
I, like I mentioned earlier, I consider myself a mutt. I have studied different. Like, I got initiated into ceremonial magic, and I got sworn to secrecy, so I can't share what lineage that was. And I also got trained for Mexican curanderismo, and I also follow some of the traditions of the CS from Peru. And then there's a whole set of things that I have developed, like my energetic practice. The way I do energy work is my own, that I was. I was not trained by a person to do it that way. The blueprint was gifted to me in ceremony, little by little, and it's almost like every time I sat in ceremony, I got gifted a new chapter, and then I would go test it out and tweak it a little bit.

Magdalena Mystik [01:45:54]:
So my practice is a combination of a lot of different things, and it's my own. I don't subscribe to one, just one school of thought. And that is partially why I practice the way I practice, because I am not a dogmatic person. I actually have an aversion to that because of my upbringing and have done a lot of healing work around the trauma that I had from growing up in a very conservative religious institution.

Vision Battlesword [01:46:32]:
Yeah. And if. If you don't mind me saying so, or I think it's relevant to. To say that as a part of what you just said, it's also true that your gifts were not welcome when you were growing up. That you're. You're. Your gifts, your natural spiritual experiences, you know, this contact that you have with these beings, these guides, your sky homies, was. Was suppressed.

Vision Battlesword [01:46:58]:
And that's a part of the kind of the trauma that you're talking about.

Magdalena Mystik [01:47:01]:
Yeah. I was told that what I perceived was of the devil and that I was going to hell. When I was 13, I got pulled out of class. And I mean, we could spend a whole different podcast on. On this particular topic on the way that the things that we were taught in school that we would have to do based on the religious beliefs, and a lot of what those were, did not make any sense to me logically. And then I was told to just believe and have faith and don't question things. But I would hear them say statements that would contradict each other. So I would ask questions.

Magdalena Mystik [01:47:49]:
I've always been very curious, and it wasn't in a challenging way, but it would be like a Help me understand. You're telling me this, but you're also telling me that. That it's in direct opposition of what you just said. Hence my logical engineering mind. So I would get in trouble a lot. And one time I got pulled out of class, and my religious teacher told me that. Said, you're so smart that one day you're gonna cause a lot of damage to the Catholic Church. And I remember thinking, like, really? You feel threatened by me? How so? That.

Magdalena Mystik [01:48:29]:
Why are you threatened? If what you're saying is true, you shouldn't feel threatened. Part of my spiritual journey has been accepting my experience of the world and believing that I'm not, quote, unquote, crazy and making things up. Because there have been multiple, multiple times where what I perceive there is no way I could have known certain things, and yet I do. And I was told I was wrong, and that was of the devil. So a big part of my healing journey has been unlearning those judgments and sticking to what I know is true. And then if you want to go a step further, using that to help others.

Vision Battlesword [01:49:24]:
What would you like for someone to know? What's. What's the most important thing that you could think of to say to someone? What would you like someone to know about witches and magic?

Magdalena Mystik [01:49:36]:
That many of us have good intentions and want to do good in this world, and that the way that we've been perceived through history has been a way to suppress our expression. And at the end of the day, the people that really don't believe in magic, they are. They're really missing out. They're missing out on experiencing this whole other world. Whether you want to call it fantasy or reality. It's fascinating, and it opens up so many possibilities. So in a way, it makes me sad when people don't believe or don't allow themselves to believe, even though the evidence might be in front of them. Because it's like they're going through this life looking at the world.

Magdalena Mystik [01:50:43]:
Maybe they just see five colors when there's a hundred colors out there. That would enrich their experience of the world that could be so much richer, but yet they're limiting themselves because they don't allow themselves to be curious.

Vision Battlesword [01:51:03]:
Allow yourself to be curious and see what magical realms might open up. That's a beautiful message. This has been a magical conversation. I really enjoyed it. Thank you so much for spending this time with me. I hope you had a good time as well.

Magdalena Mystik [01:51:22]:
I did. Thank you so much. Thank you for the questions. They're great.

Vision Battlesword [01:51:26]:
Yeah.

Magdalena Mystik [01:51:26]:
And I hope they help people understand. And it's. I've never been asked some of those questions, so it really made me think about how to convey certain experiences that I've never put words to.

Vision Battlesword [01:51:42]:
Thank you, Magdalena.

Magdalena Mystik [01:51:43]:
Thank you, Vision.