Vision Battlesword [00:00:00]:
How are you feeling today, Rosemary?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:00:01]:
Wild, illuminated.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:04]:
Nice. I like that. That kind of is at least adjacent to our theme that we talked about for today.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:00:11]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:12]:
Well, welcome back to Austin.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:00:15]:
Thank you for quite a while.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:16]:
I'm honored that you chose to take time out of your schedule on this trip to stop by and say hi to me. It's really nice to see you again.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:00:24]:
It's very nice to see you as well.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:26]:
Yeah. My first question, as you may or may not be aware or be prepared for, is, who are you? Rosemarie Wilde.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:00:39]:
I am a visionary creator. I tune into beautiful frequencies and I bring them into fully manifested form for all to play with.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:51]:
Hmm, beautiful. Well, I'm Vision Battlesword. I founded Sacred Light. I am the creator of Intentional Autonomous Relating and the host of Sacred Conversations. And today we agreed to talk about the topic of energy. Does that still sound like fun to you?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:01:08]:
Absolutely.

Vision Battlesword [00:01:10]:
I'm so pleased that we're having this topic, and I'm surprised I haven't talked to anyone else about it yet, because it's something that's very, very interesting to me. It's something that I'm genuinely very curious about, and it's something that I would say. I've only recently really started to have a direct experience of the whole idea of energy. And energy sensitivity as a person, as a human, is pretty new to me, kind of as part of my spiritual journey and my spiritual awakening of the past few years. And I know that you are something of an expert, or at least I think that you're something of an expert in this whole area. And so I'm really excited to hear everything that you have to say and everything that you know, all of your wisdom about the whole idea of energy. And I might take it from a little bit more of a scientific perspective on my side, and I'm sure we can meet somewhere in the middle. Does that sound good?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:02:10]:
Absolutely.

Vision Battlesword [00:02:12]:
What is energy?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:02:13]:
Hmm. Energy is consciousness. It is that which forms creation to be experienced by itself through different perspectives, holding different knowledge. So the experience that I have had in witnessing down to a fundamental microscopic level, or atomic level, I should say, is that an electron is holding the consciousness of electron. That would be very different than the consciousness of a human person.

Vision Battlesword [00:02:46]:
So you think an electron has consciousness.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:02:49]:
In the sense that it simply is itself. So its consciousness is then just electron. And that's why when you feel down to a specific level, you can feel that. And that's something that I teach is an I meditation, where you expand and you feel the atoms that are forming the walls of the room and forming your body. When we give ourselves the opportunity to experience outside of what we've been taught, our awareness gets to expand naturally. I have degrees in biology and psychology. I also have archaeology and history. But specifically speaking of science, what I was taught in my classes helped me as I came to different consciousness.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:03:39]:
So I had a very intense healing experience where my body, as I was forming it, had become one of pain. So the predominant thoughts that I was repeating were, I'm in so much pain and I hate myself and I hate my life. And when I got to the point where I couldn't lift my head off of a pillow because of the injuries that I had sustained and it was just me and my thoughts, I was able to slow down because I had nowhere else to be. All I had to do was heal. And I said, all right, well, I'm going to give my body the best chance. He how do I do that? Okay. I remembered my classes take the stress away. The only thing stressing me out at that time was my thoughts.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:04:31]:
The constant repetition of I have to get up and do something, I have to get up and do something. Even when I couldn't support my head on my neck, I had torn a muscle back here, and that was after years of nerve pain from car accident. So when I witnessed the thoughts, as I began meditating breathing, creating space between my cells and relaxing my body, I gained a higher awareness of the energy moving through it. And when the thought came in again of I'm in so much pain and I have to get up and do something, I was able to witness my body tense at that. My body tighten contract. I said, oh, okay, I see what's happening. I was pulling everything together, right? My body was tightening around this thought. It was physically holding it in places.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:05:30]:
And when I cleared enough space to be able to differentiate and recognize where exactly in my body it was, then I was actually able to do something about it. And that looked a lot like breathing and releasing tension, as well as choosing new thoughts and committing to that. So my new mantra became, my body has always been perfect and everything's amazing and I love my life. And it only took about 18 hours of me committing to that, not letting anything else distract me. Any other story came up. I'm like, nope, that's not true. Nope, doesn't matter. And after 18 hours, I was standing and washing dishes at the sink, which I hadn't been able to do in months.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:06:17]:
So when we get our conscious mind out of the way, which is what's holding onto the energy of I'm in so much pain, then our body's actually able to do what it's designed to do, which is to return to wellness. Your DNA has all the coding in it. It knows exactly what to do. It's the conscious mind that gets in the way, and that's the energy. So cultivating the awareness in the body allows you to direct it.

Vision Battlesword [00:06:43]:
What does that have to do with the relationship between energy and consciousness? Where you're using the word consciousness in a certain way? When you're talking about getting your conscious mind out of the way, then you're talking about there being an energy to pain. But when I first asked you, what is energy? You said, energy is consciousness. And then we were talking about the consciousness of an electron. So help me understand, is energy, are energy and consciousness the same thing? Are they two manifestations of one thing, or are they two different ways of expressing something? What is that like?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:07:22]:
It's like looking at something from two different directions. So I would say that they're aspects of the same thing, but flavored differently depending on how, well, how one directs their consciousness perceives something.

Vision Battlesword [00:07:35]:
Is consciousness a form of energy, or is it maybe an organization of energy?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:07:41]:
Hmm. Trying to remember the word origin of science, because the word science itself. Yeah. Because consciousness is conscienceness. I think it's wisdom with wisdom. So I would say it's structuring of energy, consciousness. So it's highly organized, structured energy, because there's also chaos, which is unstructured energy, or perhaps it's energy with a structure that is in a pattern that's unrecognizable to us.

Vision Battlesword [00:08:09]:
Yeah. This word pattern, because when you were talking about structuring of energy, it made me think of information and information theory, and it also makes me think of frequency and vibration, like when you're talking about the consciousness of an electron, that's like a very steady, regular, predictable frequency. And it also represents a unit of energy, and it also represents a unit of mass. But if we start to stack electrons on top of each other in a particular pattern, then we get information. And information can be an encoding of consciousness in a way.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:08:46]:
Yeah. It's data that's put into formation an organism, organized, organic.

Vision Battlesword [00:08:54]:
Mm hmm.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:08:55]:
It's structured consciousness. Structured energy.

Vision Battlesword [00:08:59]:
So it sounds like energy might be more fundamental than consciousness. Consciousness is a more complex manifestation compared to energy itself.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:09:09]:
Yeah. The energy becoming structured.

Vision Battlesword [00:09:12]:
So then what is energy?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:09:14]:
Hmm. Energy is all things. All things are energy. Energy is structured, and then energy can also be characterized as unstructured. However, it's never really unstructured. Even a lightning bolt, which is a discharge of energy and looks like it has a random pattern. It's still organized, it's still structured, it still has flow. It's still going through the easiest pathways in the air currents for it to hit through.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:09:47]:
The way I perceive energy is beyond words. Words, by nature, put one thing, one idea, one collection of sounds, or sound, if it's one syllable, onto a thing, so it labels it, and that somewhat locks it into an awareness. And it's just as easy to call it a bleep blorp as it is to call it an electron. And yet here we are playing with the word electrons and energy. There are many things maybe stating what energy is as we perceive it, like light is energy, sound waves are energy, thoughts are energy.

Vision Battlesword [00:10:34]:
This is what's becoming interesting to me as we talk about this, about energy is it's one of those things, kind of like information that's not very clearly defined, even though we use the word all the time. Yeah, and scientific materialism would say something along the lines of, like, everything in the universe is made of energy, and energy is just the fundamental substance, let's just say, of the entire universe that can take all different forms. But then if you ask a scientist, what is energy? What are they going to say? Like, we have equations that describe it. You know, we can describe it in terms of electricity, we can describe it in terms of force. We could describe it in terms of the relationship between mass and heat or light or something, movement of current movement, kinetic energy. But what actually is it? I don't think anybody really has a super good answer to that question, unless, well, maybe we can figure it out.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:11:37]:
This is why I stated it's consciousness, because from my perspective and experience, everything is consciousness. So therefore, consciousness as energy, is it possible to perceive them layered on top of each other, recognizing the unique perceptions of them without perceiving them as two separate things?

Vision Battlesword [00:11:58]:
I don't know. Well, do you think that. Well, let's just start with this. How about equals mc squared?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:12:06]:
Okay?

Vision Battlesword [00:12:06]:
Does that make sense to you? Energy and mass are interchangeable. One is kind of a frozen state of the other and contains a whole lot. Mass, meaning, contains a whole lot of energy.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:12:18]:
Yes. And energy as mass is the consciousness of that forming it. So therefore, that's why I'm saying energy is consciousness, because is there ever consciousness without energy?

Vision Battlesword [00:12:34]:
Is there ever anything without energy?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:12:37]:
Is there energy without consciousness?

Vision Battlesword [00:12:39]:
Is there consciousness without matter?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:12:41]:
Is there matter without facts?

Vision Battlesword [00:12:43]:
I feel like we're just playing word games. Now, I think it's really interesting to have this conversation, and I'm glad we're having it, because people use the word energy a lot, especially these days, like, in the kind of informal way that you said it before, like, well, don't bring that energy of negativity into my space, or, I'm hearing your words, but I'm feeling something different from you energetically, or all of these different ways that we use it. And then, of course, there's lots of energy systems, meaning ways that we sense or think that we can sense or harness or manipulate some insubstantial stuff that we can experience, like qigong, tai chi, kundalini, all of these different ways that we apparently sense and use and manipulate energy. We talk about our chakra system as the energy channel of the body, with specific energy centers that have different frequencies or vibrations of energy associated with them. So we use this word in a lot of kind of spiritual, mystical, and ephemeral ways, but then, of course, we use it in very concrete, objective, scientific ways. Is it the same stuff that we're talking about?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:14:03]:
Okay, so two things. I'm glad you mentioned that, because the first thing I was thinking about was sensation. I was like, okay, well, energy, a lot of the times, can be perceived as sensation if we're talking about it in our bodies. And then not to expand on that at all and directly go into the second thing that popped in my head. So the canaanite pantheon, the God El and the Elohim. El meant power, and Elohim meant powers, the powers. And you can even see in angel names the El suffix meaning power. So Raphael being power of healing, and Michael being translated to who is like God, with there being an interpretation labeled on that as if no one is like God.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:14:55]:
But if God forms all things as consciousness, then all are like God.

Vision Battlesword [00:15:00]:
Now we're getting somewhere. What's the difference between energy and power? A lot of times, we use those words interchangeably.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:15:08]:
Hmm. Direction, directionality, because you can have energy everywhere, but unless it's being channeled or stored, what is the power equation?

Vision Battlesword [00:15:23]:
Is power like energy with an intent? I was thinking energy with a will.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:15:30]:
Becomes power or something like that, like a directed energy. So intention or expression.

Vision Battlesword [00:15:37]:
Power is an expression of energy. Yes, but expression would imply a consciousness.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:15:43]:
Yeah. As you said, even the word magic comes from ancient persian magush, which meant power. So then a mage, a magician, is one who wields power. Wizard comes from one who is wise. Therefore, that is someone who directs wisdom, aka consciousness. So, for looking at all these words together. It's people continuing to come to the same recognition that consciousness is forming and directing this perceived reality. And that can be seen all over the place.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:16:22]:
If you've ever played with changing stoplights, if you've ever thought about someone and then had them call you. And that's part of the game of conscious manifesting and consciously creating the reality you're living in, which is directing the energy of thought, of feeling, of perception, and having echoed back to you that which is in alignment. Ego. Ego, as I've noticed it, is where the energy goes.

Vision Battlesword [00:16:52]:
Oh, ego, huh?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:16:54]:
Yeah, the ego, the I, the I am, and trying to decide what parts to share because I don't want it to get too diffuse. Whenever I state I am, that becomes a set point for some sort of experience. So people are again saying, I am in pain versus I am healed. It's forcing the energy to channel through the body in a certain way. A lot of people who have muscle knots, it's because they have a lot of knots. Cannot, will not. And that causes tension, that causes the muscles clench around that the word can comes from cane, channel, reed, through which something flows. So when we're cutting off our cans with knots, we're literally stopping the flow of energy through something.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:17:46]:
We're saying, nope, nope, not that direction. I'm cutting that off.

Vision Battlesword [00:17:49]:
Is it the nature of energy to flow, that it wants to flow, or that it's it inherently, like, its default state is to be in a state of motion or flowing?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:18:00]:
Hmm. I believe that would be a consciousness directing it to flow, because then consciousness would also directing it to not flow. So if it's in a state of natural flow or if it's just chilling, as the very serious scientists would say.

Vision Battlesword [00:18:17]:
What would that even mean for energy to be chillin or not flowing? Like, can energy be static?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:18:24]:
Hmm. What about potential energy, where it's, like, something must occur for it to convert to kinetic or to assume the kinetic state.

Vision Battlesword [00:18:36]:
I'm not 100% sure I comprehend potential energy or what it is. I mean, my best understanding of that is it's like if you use a pulley to raise a weight in sort of your classic newtonian or traditional physics, that would be called potential energy. But when you think about that relativistically.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:19:00]:
Yeah, it's not really chilling because it's like being held there by something. So then that energy is not chilling.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:07]:
And presumably it's on a planet, which is like moving, cruising around through space, driving and spinning on its axis or whatever it is that it's doing. And all this other stuff. So it's really only potential energy in relationship to a gravity well.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:19:23]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:23]:
And like an artificial system that you've created to put one body at a specific distance from another body and hold it there, which, I don't know, it all seems real theoretical to me. You know what I mean? It's almost like a thought experiment more than it's anything real to me. Does that make sense?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:19:42]:
Mm hmm. And that also raises what is energy? Not.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:48]:
You tell me. You just said that you can create an energy not and restrict the flow of it.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:19:54]:
Right. But then that's energy using itself to hold other energy back, wouldn't it? Yeah. So then that.

Vision Battlesword [00:20:04]:
So what does that mean?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:20:06]:
It's just games? Yeah, it's all games.

Vision Battlesword [00:20:08]:
Energy games.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:20:09]:
Energy games. My second book is called Quantum Poetry Games with Myself because that's truly how I've experienced it. If I'm playing a game of I can't do that. That's just a perception. I could do that. I can do that right now. And that's the I. The ego, where the energy goes, directing an idea of a story.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:20:35]:
And when we change the story, change the script, change the words we're repeating, then it shifts if we look. Okay, so, interesting. There's two different ways that the Bible starts in different translations of it. Right? It's in the beginning. There was the word, and there was. In the beginning, God said, let there be light. So the word as consciousness as a name, as something that is called forth, invoked, spoken, and then light as energy, electrons, perceivable. God said, let there be light.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:21:12]:
So the speaking was occurring in this story to invoke there being light. Therefore, that would be consciousness turning a light on, directing a flow of energy. I don't know where I'm going with this, but I was just following a thread. I was pulling to see what happened.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:31]:
Yeah, no, that's what we do. That's perfect. Well, so, but in all the things you're saying there, again, this is kind of a new idea for me that I'm having in this moment, but just realizing that everything that we talk about is kind of metaphorical and set in a context. Like, even when you say, like, we're talking about potential energy and this idea, like, you can visualize in your mind of raising a weight with a pulley and all this stuff, but if you step back from that, zoom out from that, you see that that is all set within a context, and it only really makes sense within the context. It only has any kind of a meaning in that context. And then when you say something like consciousness chooses to turn a light on again, it's like, well, where's the switch? And where's the energy source for that light? And where's that light shining into? And it all just kind of. It all kind of falls apart in the realization, I guess, I don't know, of the universe as a kind of an infinite, open ended experience. What's your cosmology? How do you imagine the universe overall? Do you imagine it as an expanding bubble coming out of a big bang? Do you imagine it as an infinite expanse that goes on forever? What is it like for you?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:22:58]:
I've witnessed in meditation, in deep meditation, several times from different angles, formation of the universe and of humans and a lot of things. And that being consciousness, showing me something is. I can just describe a couple of them. So it was like there was nothingness, and then all of a sudden, there was everything. So sudden, sudden arrival of awareness of I am without any other modifiers after just on. And that does say, okay, where did that come from? How was that able to turn on? Is there a giant computer somewhere that suddenly have this flip switched on? And then, okay, so then that computer was formed somewhere, or is it just energy existing? Because that's what there is to do with itself.

Vision Battlesword [00:24:01]:
But when we say it's just energy existing more and more, I'm starting to hear we have no freaking idea. And this is just a word that we use.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:24:11]:
We need an idea, but we can experience. That word has come up a few times.

Vision Battlesword [00:24:17]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:24:17]:
So it becomes about the experience, and we're talking. Before the mics run, we were talking about play and joy. So perhaps with energy. The way that I work with energy is to direct it in ways that expand love and wellness and joy in my experience and the experience of everyone I interact with. And that came from pain, that I redirected it because I was able to witness how playing in a different way, playing with pain, playing with anger, affected me on a very physical level and affected everyone I love.

Vision Battlesword [00:24:55]:
I want to interject that, I think because you've used words like love and joy and pain and a number of different emotional states in this whole conversation, I think that many times when people are talking about energy, they're talking about emotions.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:25:13]:
Mm hmm.

Vision Battlesword [00:25:15]:
Emotional experiences.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:25:16]:
Yeah. Have you heard emotions referred to as energy in motion?

Vision Battlesword [00:25:21]:
I'm sure I have heard that before, but it sounds new in this moment, and I really like it.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:25:25]:
Yeah. So energy in motion, energy moving through our vessel that we learned to label in a specific way. Like, a snapshot was taken at one point, and you're like, okay, that's love. I've often. I've encountered. Not super often, but I have encountered people where the definition they have within their body of love is more akin to what I would call pain. So then they believe that love is pain.

Vision Battlesword [00:25:53]:
I mean, I've experienced. I have that experience. So I had this whole conversation, this a sacred conversation with Tiffany on the topic of love. And in that dialogue, she did, like, a little facilitation with me to help me get in touch with what does love actually feel like to me. And it was very much connected with pain. Not in a bad way, but like a good kind of pain somehow, but it's definitely pain.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:26:22]:
It was really interesting, like, the ripping open of something.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:25]:
That kind of pain, I'm trying to remember now. It was. It was. It was more like a longing. It was more like a. It was more. It felt kind of like a longing and a sadness, but it felt good, weirdly. But.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:46]:
But that's. That's definitely true for me about love. Like, when I'm feeling the deepest love, there's. There's a longing pain associated with it. And a lot of times that feels like crying, even. Even while I'm, like, deeply in, like, the love experience and happy there. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not wanting to leave it, but that's true for me.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:27:11]:
Hmm. Do you like that?

Vision Battlesword [00:27:13]:
I don't know that I like it. It's just what comes naturally, probably because of my experiences and those snapshots that formed at an early age for me, of what love is all about.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:27:27]:
Is that something you would desire to change, or do you like it enough to keep it?

Vision Battlesword [00:27:32]:
I can imagine a love that's more connected with joy than with sadness and maybe that being preferable, but I don't know. Like I say, it's not something that I dislike in the moment while it's happening, but I never really was as clear on it. I was never as clear on what the specific sensations coming back to that pin that you dropped earlier that we kind of moved on from, but I want to come back to that as well. But what those specific, like, sensations are for me, that are associated with what I call the experience of love anyway. What is it like for you?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:28:12]:
Love. What I had labeled as love earlier in my life is not what I now know love as. So when I reformulated my system and changed my thought patterns, I got to choose what felt good in my body, chose to feel good in my body. And pure good, too. Holistically good for me means that no one is harmed anywhere, and that it brings wellness. And that is how I perceive love. Love also feels very expansive to me. Like there's an electromagnetic pulse from the heart, if you've ever experienced a heartburst, as I like to call it.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:29:04]:
So it's like this energy builds up, and it's just, like, expansive and explosive.

Vision Battlesword [00:29:11]:
Yeah, I feel that, too. To me, it feels like being filled up, like my entire vessel, my entire physical vessel, being filled up with the sensation, the energy, if you want to call it that, whatever it is. And then, like, overflowing, just flowing out and in. That is, for me, a deep sense of gratitude, a deep sense of comfort and enfolding. It's more of a reaching out to enfold than being enfolded in myself. But, like, there's an outward reaching motion sensation to it. There's an unfolding and a drawing in. There's a gratitude, and then there's also this, like, longing.

Vision Battlesword [00:29:57]:
It's like painful pain. Not. I don't know what. Yeah, it's hard to describe.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:30:01]:
Is it like an ache?

Vision Battlesword [00:30:02]:
It's achy.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:30:03]:
Yeah, it's an achy breaky heart. What I'm perceiving that as is separation.

Vision Battlesword [00:30:10]:
Yeah.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:30:10]:
Like the consciousness of separation versus the conscious consciousness of all things. And so having awareness of all things. And this can be in different moments. Right. We flow through different parts, but that ache only really ever comes from thinking that someone is something, is separate from us. And then when we have a more integrated perspective, I've found at least we recognize that love is always here and easily accessible and easily felt. And that's a practice that I cultivate, is tuning in, selecting a specific frequency of energy and flowing through my body, which, as we're talking about sensations, if you're down for a little practice experiment, I can guide some energy experiencing.

Vision Battlesword [00:30:58]:
I'm definitely into that and curious about it. And before we do that, I'm curious if you are interested to know what a book says about energy.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:31:10]:
About energy and what it means. Yeah, sure.

Vision Battlesword [00:31:13]:
Cool. I'll be right back.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:31:14]:
Okay. Hmm.

Vision Battlesword [00:31:16]:
For many years, I have been threatening, one might even say, intending, to obtain a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary, which is the most complete catalog of English. It's like an encyclopedic dictionary. It's 20 volumes, 20,000 pages or something like that. And, yeah, I'm curious to know what the OED has to say about energy. Senses one and two, as used by Aristotle, whereas sense five answers that of and then there's a word in Greek that I do not know how to pronounce. This is fascinating. With reference to speech or writing, force or vigor of expression. So that's definition number one.

Vision Battlesword [00:32:06]:
With reference to speech or writing force or vigor of expression. Exercise of power. We hit on that one. Actual working operation, activity. Frequently in philosophical language, formally also concurring. The product of activity and effect. Vigor or intensity of action, utterance. Hence, as a personal quality, the capacity and habit of strenuous exertion.

Vision Battlesword [00:32:36]:
Power, actively and efficiently displayed or exerted. Power not necessarily manifested in action, ability or capacity to produce an effect. Physics. The power of doing work possessed at any instant by a body or system of bodies. First used by Jung with reference to sense four, to denote what is now called actual kinetic or motive energy. That is, the power of doing work. Possessed by a moving body by virtue of its motion. Go ahead.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:33:13]:
One of the most simple work equations is f equals ma, right.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:18]:
Force equals mass times acceleration.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:33:20]:
Yes. And force is a vector, meaning it's an energy with a direction which loops us back to intent as well. When I think about work, I think about what's the exact amount of energy it takes to get me or wherever from here to there.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:39]:
Which is funny, too, because before we started recording, we were talking a lot about the energy of work and productive play and all that sort of stuff. There's also this one here, mental energy. It doesn't actually have a definition. It just has a usage in print. That's interesting. Oh, and then there's, of course, energy in the sense of essentially that which generates electricity in our modern world. So there's references to energy crisis, energy shortage, energy efficiency, energy gap. Fascinating.

Vision Battlesword [00:34:16]:
I'm always interested. I always find this interesting to look at the Oxford English dictionary and kind of get the. I don't know. Go back to the foundational definitions of words.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:34:27]:
Will you look up consciousness?

Vision Battlesword [00:34:29]:
I can. I'll have to go get another volume, though. Okay. Consciousness. Joint or mutual knowledge. Also in early use. Consciousness to oneself. Internal knowledge or conviction.

Vision Battlesword [00:34:48]:
Knowledge as to which one has the testimony within oneself, especially of one's own innocence, guilt, deficiencies, etcetera. The state or faculty of being conscious as a condition and concomitant of all thought, feeling and volition. The recognition by the thinking subject of his own acts or affections. That's pretty good. The recognition by the thinking subject of its own acts or affections. The totality of the impressions, thoughts and feelings which make up a person's being. That is, conscious personalities.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:35:30]:
So energy forms consciousness or consciousness is form of energy, and then consciousness is conscious of energy. It's very chicken and eggy. What I was going to say was, so in this last year, I have given 125 energy readings. And so what that is for me is someone who wants an energy reading, wants to know what's in their field, the field of consciousness that is forming them. And I breathe. I always set the intention for the highest love or the purest love, because that's how I choose to operate and direct my consciousness. And I tune into the energy and I say, what can I impart to this person for the highest love? And then whatever I perceive of sensorially. So if it's vision, if it's hearing, if it's taste, smell, if it's a feeling in the body, I tell them that.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:36:24]:
And there have been enough points of evidence for me as far as accuracy that have eliminated any doubt regarding energy and consciousness. Because if I'm perceiving of something, if something's coming to my conscious awareness, it's because it's there to be perceived. And so when I speak of it, it resonates with something we can't perceive, of something we're not resonant to. You can't get 104.9 if you're tuned to 95 five. So consciously directing energy to receive energy, it's like this output, input loop. And that's all I'm going to say about that. You respond, and then if you. What?

Vision Battlesword [00:37:11]:
So what you're saying is that you perceive energy as physical sensations somewhere in your five senses system. Could be a taste, could be a. Yeah. Physical feeling. It could be a sound or a sight of, or even a spell.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:37:30]:
And I will also say to that end, it's not sight or hearing. Like it. It's not hearing usually as if I'm with someone. It's more of like the awareness, the consciousness of words. So it's like I'll hear it in my mind versus hearing it. Like as a hallucination.

Vision Battlesword [00:37:48]:
You're not having an auditory hallucination.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:37:50]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:37:51]:
You're getting a mental impression of a sound.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:37:54]:
Yeah. So I know what the words are like with writing or something.

Vision Battlesword [00:37:59]:
Yeah. That's a funny thing, isn't it? That knowing that conceptual experience is a funny thing, where it's like, yeah, I got the impression of a word, but it wasn't, I didn't see it visually, I didn't hear it, you know, as if spoken aloud, but I somehow knew it, I got it in my mind. That's funny.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:38:24]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:38:25]:
That's cognizance well, what did you mean a few moments ago when you said that you've got enough data points now from these sensations and the validation you've received about them to have no more doubt about consciousness and energy? That specific piece? I'm not sure what you mean.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:38:43]:
Okay.

Vision Battlesword [00:38:44]:
You mean that energy has consciousness or you mean that consciousness has energy or what's the relationship?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:38:50]:
So when I was five, six, my dad taught me to do body skin meditation. I had an issues falling asleep and so he taught me to do body skin meditation and progressive muscle relaxation. And it was during that time when I started really breathing that I had what I now would describe as my first awakening experience. So as I was breathing, I asked the question. Actually, I don't remember the specific question, but it was something to the effect of, I want to see what God is. I want to know what Jesus knew. I want to see what all of this is about and why we're here. And what I received visually in my head was like a giant ball of light and little, little specks coming off of it.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:39:42]:
And those were souls.

Vision Battlesword [00:39:44]:
And you saw this visually in my mind? Uh huh.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:39:47]:
And then I went to a little speck of light. And when you go in the speck of light, suddenly you're back in the big light. So it's like you follow it back through. And that's still how I work with energy today. When I go in to myself and connect with source energy and receive consciousness, it's cause I'm going in through my light.

Vision Battlesword [00:40:08]:
So a lot of it for you has to do with visualizations, how you perceive it and interact with it.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:40:15]:
Some of it, some of it's visual, some of it is auditory. It's an interesting thing because we're visual, usually before we are verbal, so we perceive of things around us. But then also our words inform the way we see things, like the reticular activating system where when we have our filters on, sometimes we're not. If we're like, my wallet is lost, you're not seeing that it's on the counter.

Vision Battlesword [00:40:41]:
So you say you've done over 100 energy readings in the past little while. What is an energy reading? What is that? What, so you're.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:40:49]:
So I'm.

Vision Battlesword [00:40:50]:
You're perceiving someone else's energy and then giving them feedback about it?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:40:54]:
Or what is that like for me, it's channeling. So as I get my conscious mind out of the way and I breathe and I just perceive. And then I set my intention, my filter, so that it will only do good. And then whatever I receive and perceive, I speak to and practice with enough energy to be able to discern differences in my body and in my perception of what energy is, or rather how energy is being directed to what ends, to what intent. It comes in sensorially because these are our receiving devices and our emitting devices. And so the consciousness of what I would call the soul animating the body, forming it, of the consciousness it's choosing. And then when we recognize things that we're not enjoying in our experience, then we change the input, and then the output changes and the feedback changes. So we emit differently and it's reflected back to us in time.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:41:56]:
If you look at the word emit, it's mirrored time.

Vision Battlesword [00:41:59]:
Is the soul of a different type of energy compared to the body?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:42:03]:
Hmm, I don't think so. Not from my perception. From my perception, the soul is forming the body. So you might have heard before, like, you know, your body does not contain your soul. Your soul is forming and animating your body. When the soul chooses to leave, then the body's not animated anymore. And that doesn't mean that the soul ceases to exist. But if it goes back into source energy or if it goes elsewhere and does something else, transforms in some way, did that answer?

Vision Battlesword [00:42:38]:
Not exactly. So is the body made of energy?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:42:41]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:42]:
Is the soul made of energy?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:42:43]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:43]:
Are they two different kinds?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:42:45]:
No.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:45]:
Oh, okay, great.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:42:48]:
No, but the perception is different, and the consciousness is slightly different.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:51]:
Does the body have its own consciousness separate from the soul?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:42:55]:
No, it's a directionality, a direction of awareness, like interacting and interfacing in this world versus receiving from a greater awareness. So it's like a focusing device. You mentioned chakras earlier, and I like to perceive it as the soul is the light and the body is the prisma.

Vision Battlesword [00:43:18]:
Mmm, cool. That's a cool visual. And that actually, I love that segue because I wanted to talk a little bit about Carlos Castaneda and the toltec cosmology, or perception of the universe and conscious beings. And that falls right in line with that. If we were imagining, like, the soul is like this beam of white light, and then the physical form of the body as like a refracting prism, that the beam hits and then gets split and redirected into all of the different kind of physical manifestations. Are you familiar with Carlos Castaneda at all?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:44:00]:
I know the name, but I am blanking right now about actually who he is and what he's doing.

Vision Battlesword [00:44:05]:
Okay, no worries. You familiar with Don Miguel Ruiz and the four agreements and all that sort of stuff. So Carlos Castaneda was an anthropologist who went down to Mexico and became a apprenticed to a sorcerer of the toltec tradition back in the seventies and eighties and wrote a bunch of books about everything he learned about magic and sorcery and energy and plant medicine and this whole psychedelic realm that he got initiated into. So I've read all those books and what's in those books is a kind of a fictionalized. Well, I don't know. It's questionable whether it's fictionalized, fictional or just sensationalized or made to be more entertaining. In other words, it's written in a story, as a story, but it's written as a true account. So you can kind of use your own judgment and decide what you think is fact versus fiction versus honest recountings of psychedelic trips and states of awareness versus things that were made up altogether or maybe exaggerated.

Vision Battlesword [00:45:15]:
But whichever way you want to slice it, a lot of the things that Carlos Castaneda describes in terms of what he was taught in this over ten year apprenticeship to a shaman, a toltec shaman, match up with other things from other traditions, from the Cairo people in Peru to other native american or native mexican kind of traditions, sorcery, shamanistic traditions and things like that. And one of those is the description of the energy body of the human and really the energy body of all living things, all sentient beings. And so the way it's described is very much like the kind of light and the prisma metaphor that you brought up a moment ago. But the idea is essentially like what we see with our physical senses, our eyes, our actual like physical eyeballs, is really just a very, very narrow slice of this overall reality that we inhabit. And we, our person is not this meat suit that we typically, that we perceive in our state of ordinary reality. That's only like a tip of an iceberg protruding into this 3d space. That is what we like, what we believe to be all of reality, even though it's not. But really what we are is we're a luminous egg shaped energy being.

Vision Battlesword [00:46:50]:
And actually everything is energy that when you progress down this path of wisdom and the path of the warrior and the path of sorcery and all this stuff, that eventually you can just simply perceive the world as it is, as pure energy, the energy that everything is actually at its most fundamental level. And what you see if you look at a human in that state is you see something that looks kind of like an upside down egg. So it's more tapered toward the bottom, and it's more bulbous or rounded at the top. It's radiant, it's luminous, and it's very colorful. And it's made up of a seemingly infinite number of individual colored luminous filaments, or like, energetic threads that are all kind of woven together in this container, this mass and that. It has a. A few different specific kind of points on the outside of the shell, but one of which is the most important. It's called the assemblage point.

Vision Battlesword [00:48:00]:
And that's actually the kind of orifice intake. Yeah. That energy passes into and out from as we kind of interact with all of the energy that we're swimming around in and bouncing around in as this luminous egg. And so in this particular view of how the human composite and perception works, is that by moving, by shifting our assemblage point around the outside of, or even inside of our luminous energy body, that accounts for the changes and the shifts of. In the way that we perceive the energetic world around us. And so we as these kind of three dimensional humans that we perceive ourselves to be, we're merely domesticated and conditioned from birth.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:48:59]:
To think that we're lesser than we are.

Vision Battlesword [00:49:01]:
No, not necessarily. Well, perhaps, but merely to fix our assemblage point at a very specific place and keep it there rigidly. So this kind of brings me back to what you were saying almost at the very beginning of the conversation, where you're talking about, like, how we hold. You know, we, like, squeeze and hold ourselves in a specific formation. Correct. Like, that's what we're doing all the time. We're just. We're just really, really uptight.

Vision Battlesword [00:49:31]:
And that's why all we can see and perceive is this physical, seemingly material stuff. And things like psychedelics, meditation, different forms of energy work, other types of spiritual experiences allow our assemblage point to become a little bit freed up and a little bit more fluid and to drift maybe around in some different directions where we suddenly get to perceive other parts of this reality. But it's only through years of study and practice and de domestication, essentially, that we can start to become truly conscious and intentional in our control of our.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:50:09]:
Own perception practice holding on the thing that you're desiring to experience versus the thing you're not desiring to experience. When you mentioned threads, that's brought up. So something that I've been doing lately in my psychic sessions is, and this unlocked in a session with someone where they needed something in particular. And I always tune into spirit source, whatever you want to call it, goddess I used the names interchangeably, and I saw reaching into her field and grabbing onto a thread, the thread that is running through her being. There's many threads, but the one that lit up for me to grab, I grabbed it, and I felt its pure essence, and then I amplified it. So I held onto it and strengthened it, flowed energy into it, not energy directed, but allowed the energy of its direction to be itself, if that makes sense. And it got brighter and brighter and brighter. And then I witnessed what could be described as DNA.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:51:13]:
It, like, spiraling up and becoming, like, crystalline in a rainbow. And it was really beautiful, really beautiful visuals. And so I just held onto it. And anytime anything was coming into the field of awareness of, not that, I just let it go by. I didn't attach to it, didn't say, like, oh, what if, like, what if this is crazy, what if she's not experiencing anything, blah, blah, blah, like, irrelevant. That was one of the games with myself that I get to ignore. Just making everything that singular point of awareness and energy, hold the thread, hold it until her energy shifted, and then her consciousness was holding it. So I waited until that was just the pure essence of her experienced reality, and then I retracted my energy, and we talked about what she had experienced, and she was describing the visuals that she was having, and they were in alignment with what I was experiencing.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:52:10]:
And that was, I think, three months ago at this point that I did that with her. And since then, I've done about ten of them. And it's very interesting because it's always different, but always the same, if that makes sense. It's always different in what that specific person needs or what their soul is asking for, what is being offered to shift. And it's always the same in that it's the holding of the resonance that allows the other stuff to fall away.

Vision Battlesword [00:52:42]:
Hmm. You said earlier that you wanted to offer to take me through some kind of an experience. Do you want to do that now?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:52:50]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:52:50]:
Cool. Should I get comfortable or something?

Rosemarie Wilde [00:52:54]:
We'll be going through a few different emotions and observing them, not for the story behind them, but for the location and directionality in the body. And we might add a little something else. So if you want to close your eyes, you can close your eyes if it helps. Hmm. Do you like cats?

Vision Battlesword [00:53:20]:
I like cats.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:53:21]:
Okay. I think of a time when you were hanging out with a cat you particularly liked or loved.

Vision Battlesword [00:53:34]:
Okay.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:53:34]:
And you were petting this cat, and the cat was purring, and you felt what you may label as happy or love. Breathe into that feeling in the body. Do you feel that in the body, that memory?

Vision Battlesword [00:53:52]:
Yeah, I think so.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:53:54]:
Okay, so where in the body do you feel that?

Vision Battlesword [00:53:59]:
In my solar plexus.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:54:03]:
And does that energy have a directionality to it? Like, is it moving outwards, inwards? Is it staying where it is?

Vision Battlesword [00:54:12]:
I have a sense of rotation top to bottom or actually bottom to top. So, like, there's a ball and it's rotating on a horizontal axis. So from the bottom, the lower part moving forward, and then up and then coming back toward my heart and then down, you know, sort of on the side toward my spine, like that kind of a rotation.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:54:44]:
All right, you can say, body intensify feeling.

Vision Battlesword [00:54:49]:
Body intensify feeling.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:54:52]:
Did you notice any changes?

Vision Battlesword [00:54:54]:
Yeah, I think the feeling slightly intensified.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:54:57]:
Yeah. Did anything else change? Did your response to it change?

Vision Battlesword [00:55:04]:
Yeah, I feel like something kind of moved up into my throat, maybe a little behind my eyes.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:55:13]:
Now, are you a visual person? Do you imagine visually in your head?

Vision Battlesword [00:55:20]:
Sometimes.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:55:21]:
Okay, so observe these sensations as light in your body. Can you locate that?

Vision Battlesword [00:55:31]:
Okay, yeah, I'm. I'm creating an imagination.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:55:34]:
You're creating an image? Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:55:36]:
Yeah.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:55:37]:
Great. So as you breathe in, take in five breaths. And out. And as you breathe in and out, visualize it getting brighter and spreading through your whole body, and allow yourself to feel it. And note if there's anywhere in your body where it's particularly not flowing to or if it's skipping an area, and if that is the case, I invite you to breathe and visualize it flowing through that area easily. If you notice any tension coming up in any areas, visualize it opening and flowing. Are you feeling more in your body?

Vision Battlesword [00:56:20]:
I'm feeling some stuff in my body. I'm also feeling pain in my left sinus cavity and, like, kind of the left upper quadrant of my head. So I kind of got distracted with that and was just inspecting that with curiosity and seeing if I could get energy to flow through there. Yeah, but it feels like a big blockage. Like, almost like, if I can imagine my head as a sphere, there's, like, this whole 25% wedge of it that's just shut off.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:56:54]:
I love that. That's great. That's something we get to play with if you want.

Vision Battlesword [00:57:00]:
Sure.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:57:01]:
Yeah. So can you visualize, hold the awareness of the cells that are forming the structure of your body in that area? It can be just a general awareness, like a quick flash of, okay, I see cells forming tissues, forming bone, etcetera. Okay, now go into one cell. Go into one cell and have the awareness that you are going into all of the cells in that area, but only focus on one, and then have a general halo of awareness for the rest of them.

Vision Battlesword [00:57:37]:
Okay, so I'm visualizing one specific cell in this area, and I'm moving my center of consciousness to it or attention to it.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:57:49]:
Go to the nucleus of the cell. Okay, visualize the energy light that we were just imagining experiencing in the body, and visualize that light coming through that one cell. And as it spreads through that one cell, witness it spreading through the rest of the cells through their nuclei, and just breathe and relax. And anywhere tension may come up, allow it to relax. Anywhere a thought may come up, allow it to keep moving. Interacting with it is not necessary in this game. Breathing in, allowing expansion, allowing space between the cells, forming your tissues, your muscles, and exhaling, letting it go. Inhaling, feeling space, and exhaling, letting it go.

Rosemarie Wilde [00:58:38]:
And now allow your energy, allow yourself to direct that energy that you've just cultivated in that area and feel it flowing through the rest of your body. And observe its pathway. Send it down through your spine. Notice where it naturally wants to go and breathe in and release any tension. What did you observe?

Vision Battlesword [00:59:02]:
I'm really stuck on this just point of pain in my skull. We're talking about energetic knots before it feels like a real tight knot. And so I've just been kind of stuck there. You know, I'm. I'm trying to visualize the cells. I'm trying to bring that imagery of the light, of the sensation of kitty cat love into that area. And I'm just. I'm feeling a more and more and more intense pain the longer that we go on, which is really interesting to me, because I do.

Vision Battlesword [00:59:50]:
I do have an awareness that there's something going on in my body, in this area, and yet I'm now I'm becoming aware the extent to which I'm tuning it out all the time. And, like, this exercise, for some reason, has, like, allowed, like, in opening myself, to allow energy to flow freely through my body in that way that we did at the very beginning. Something is, like, revealed something, I think that's kind of always there. It's really interesting, too, me.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:00:22]:
Okay. Hmm. Okay. What happens if we observe what we call pain? I'll do this right now because there's a point on my rib that I've been noticing since dance this morning, so I'll do it with you. What happens when we observe what we label as pain as energy? We label it simply as energy and then observe directionality in it. What's the directionality of that point, if it's not actually directing anywhere, if it's not moving, if it's just one point, is it pulsing? Is it pulled in?

Vision Battlesword [01:01:00]:
It feels like it's pointing inward. Like, I can feel it. Very local. Like, it's like I have a very high fidelity localization. Like, right, it's like, right here under my eye, and it's pointing inward.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:01:20]:
Hmm. Okay.

Vision Battlesword [01:01:22]:
Toward the back of my head.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:01:25]:
Okay. What happens if you let yourself feel it fully, to the full intensity that it desires to be felt, or that it's able to be felt? That you're able to feel it? And having the awareness that emotion, which a lot of these experiences we have physically tend to be, will not last in the body more than 90 seconds once they're fully allowed to move through. So if we have our conscious mind repeating, I'm in pain, this is wrong, it's getting worse, etcetera. That's our thoughts piling onto it. But what happens if we take that all away and just let yourself feel it? Don't try to do anything with it or direct it, but just witness and let any stories about it go away. And as you breathe in, allow yourself to just find as much relaxation and ease in your body as you can.

Vision Battlesword [01:02:24]:
I'm entering an, like, extremely relaxed and even meditative, even, like, disassociative state even in this moment, which is also very interesting to me, just how. How easily I'm able to get there, even while we're doing this and I'm talking to you and all of the things. Yeah, it's interesting. I'm feeling it. I'm allowing it as much as I can. There's lots of stories attached to it that are, like wanting to crowd into my consciousness. And that's probably the biggest distraction, is trying to dis. Detach from those and let them float away and just not be a part of having the experience that I'm having right now.

Vision Battlesword [01:03:11]:
But it's just kind of ebbing and flowing. It's like sometimes it just feels like the sensation is kind of just going away, and then sometimes it's very present. But the deeper I go into relaxation, the more it may still be there, but I'm at peace with it. Something like that.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:03:31]:
Breathing in and relaxing further into your body, allowing yourself to be. The thoughts floating by are not wrong. They're just there to either be interacted with or to not be interacted with. Hmm. Do you have any particular desires as far as how you desire to feel?

Vision Battlesword [01:03:52]:
Yeah, I desire, you know, for the left side of my head to feel more like the right side of my head, which is to say that, like, the right side of my head feels expanded, inflated, like, full. It feels open and unconstricted, unrestricted. It's pain free. And the left side feels, like, collapsed and sunken and literally, like, caved. Like, if you're caved in, like, my. Like, my right side is just a full, normal head, and the left side is, like, as if it's been, you know, smashed in with a hammer or something. It's like it's caved in on itself into, like, especially into my eye socket. And I just.

Vision Battlesword [01:04:39]:
Yeah, I would love to feel the fullness and the completeness on that side, the way I feel it on the right side.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:04:48]:
What happens if you take your awareness as much as you can away from the left side and direct it on the right side and breathe in and feel the right side, feel the health and vitality and breathe and note those particular energy signatures?

Vision Battlesword [01:05:04]:
Well, I don't know, but as you were talking weirdly, just in, having declared that in desire.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:05:11]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:05:12]:
I felt the left side, like, inflating.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:05:15]:
Nice.

Vision Battlesword [01:05:16]:
And I also kind of realized, and it's almost. It's like, maybe 70 or 80% now, as big as the other side. But I also realized that it's like I'm just holding it that way with the musk, like, the muscles of my face. In declaring that I wanted to feel like, I wanted the two sides to feel the same and to feel good, like, I realized my face is just started relaxing and, like, letting, like, not pulling itself into that kind of crushed in state. And it feels good.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:05:51]:
Good job.

Vision Battlesword [01:05:52]:
I wonder how long I've been holding myself like this. That's fascinating. Are you sensing anything energetically as we're having this conversation?

Rosemarie Wilde [01:06:01]:
I've actually been keeping my energy separate from it so that you can have your own experience and so that I can hear it as you're experiencing it for your first time versus me having an awareness of it. But I can observe if you would like me to.

Vision Battlesword [01:06:13]:
I'm curious what you detect.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:06:15]:
Okay. Mmm, interesting. Okay. And how can I communicate this for the highest love? So I get a visual of, like, collapsing buildings, and the words coming up is the infrastructure is down. And so it's this. It's a. This is a more metaphorical experience. Right.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:06:39]:
So the way that you had formed before, formed yourself before with the thoughts that you had held, whether you had experienced them, and I decided to identify with them, they have become unworkable. And so now that there's cultivating the awareness of energy. And you were able to start saying, like, oh, actually, I'm like, holding my face that way, holding my head that way. Oh, it's allowing the space for new neurons, new neuronal pathways to fire and move. And part of that opening is the release of the tension, the ATT tension. So this is the direct example of how thoughts form body. And you even said the thing that was distracting most was the thoughts that were coming in. All the stories about it, all the stored energy story.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:07:32]:
I'm curious, a little curious so you don't have to bring it up, but I am curious if there is. If there's a particular thought that came up a lot, and if you notice yourself just releasing that thought, like, not holding onto that thought, wherever the tension is, and that thought comes up, open that, release that, if you experience the detachment from it. And is that what you were experiencing when you shifted your attention to, oh, I desire this to feel really good. And then. Because when we say, I desire this to feel really good, what you're doing is you're conjuring the feeling of it feeling really good, and then it's able to take up the energetic template.

Vision Battlesword [01:08:15]:
Hmm. Well, that was a lot. It's like a lot of different things I could respond to there. I'll have to think about it and not think about it. I'll have to pay more attention, I think, and notice the connection between the thoughts and the sensations over time. I don't think I can answer that question for you in this moment right now. It's just that there's so much story wrapped up in this particular physical experience for me. Cause this has been going on for me for over a year, and there's all sorts of stories and speculations and fears and, you know, theories and all sorts of things about it.

Vision Battlesword [01:08:57]:
So I think this is a really cool first step for me toward getting in touch with what it actually is now.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:09:04]:
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:09:06]:
As opposed to what it ever was before or what it was initially. And so that'll take me some time, but I appreciate the guidance and the direction to become more intentional about that.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:09:19]:
Yeah. Is there anything else that I can mention here?

Vision Battlesword [01:09:22]:
Oh, the piece about the infrastructure is interesting to me, but especially the piece about stories and how they're stored energy. That's really interesting to me. That's a new little cherry on top of, I don't know, just everything, my whole belief system, especially about stories.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:09:44]:
Yeah. Can I riff on that a little bit? Because this is kind of like one of my spousal interests. Yeah. Okay. So the way that I perceive memory DNA is our genetic memory, our genetic material. It's this mineral crystalline structure that forms, is formed of the previous stored energy that combine and create our vessels originally. And then as we experience and have our own. Choose your own adventure.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:10:20]:
Different aspects of that already available story get switched on or off. And that would be seen in methylating or acetylating genes. So, like silencing genes, turning them on and off, which occurs during stress. And also get demethylated when you relax, when you come out of trauma, in fight or flight, when people have stories around not being safe, around being in pain, etcetera. And these things get switched off, there's no longer the access points because it's literally not on. So our stored energy, our story is rdna, and we get to alter it. Our DNA becomes altered when we experience new things, our stored energy, our memories. I often describe us as organic supercomputers because we are.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:11:12]:
And then the energy running through us would be soul without a personality. And the personality or personal reality that we experience gets developed through our lives through the verbal components. I like to call them spell components. And the verbal components we get passed from our society, from our ancestors or parents. I joked once in a poem that parents are pairs of rented minds, because these are the consciousnesses forming those bodies that then did a little dance and made a new body with that same stored energy, with some of the genes of each one. So some of the stories from each recombining to make a new story, like go on adventures, experience new things, and run the simulation, the patterns in ways to learn new things. That's why we get to respond differently than our parents did, and especially in observing what did not work for them. So it's like the, if you're ever looking at a person and you're like, why would they do that? It's like, that's the way the program ran.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:12:22]:
That is the available lines of code that they have. And then it's through the experiencing and the introduction of new things that we get to change those code. And then what happens? Our DNA changes in response to the experience. And that becomes part of us if we desire and decide that it is. So people, you know, deciding that they're afraid of dogs and even physically experiencing being afraid of dogs doesn't actually mean that they are afraid of dogs. Because there might be times in their life where they are afraid of dogs, there might be times they're not afraid of dogs. It doesn't mean that it's a static point, but it is a store restored energy so that then when they perceive of a dog, they might feel threatened. And this is always also.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:13:11]:
Not always, but this is also circumstantial. Right. So if a person is feeling more relaxed, they might not even notice a dog in their awareness. But if they're stressed, they might be hyper vigilant. And then they're gonna be like, there's dogs everywhere.

Vision Battlesword [01:13:25]:
I can't shake the feeling that energy and information are kind of the same thing. What do you want to say?

Rosemarie Wilde [01:13:35]:
No, sorry. I just remembered a poem that I wrote.

Vision Battlesword [01:13:38]:
Do you want to say the poem?

Rosemarie Wilde [01:13:39]:
Yeah. Can I get. It's. I brought my second book. I can grab it.

Vision Battlesword [01:13:42]:
Yeah, go ahead.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:13:43]:
Okay. Would you like to hear it?

Vision Battlesword [01:13:45]:
I would love to hear your poem.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:13:47]:
Okay.

Vision Battlesword [01:13:47]:
Please.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:13:48]:
It's called good information. I am divine intelligence, consciousness in formation. Direct the energy of thought, arrange my ordination. I'm organized in form, my organs formed of my creation. The operation of my thoughts gives order to my nation. My mind and spirit work together in cooperation. Coordinate the forms in order. With this information, everything is mathematics.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:14:23]:
You are an equation. Variables defined as constants yield your calculations. What once was constant now is changed. Adjust the derivation through repetition. I reframe, rephrase the situation, select new operators, and update all my expressions. The words I speak define my ease, confirm through affirmation. My cells are formed of particles. My thoughts are all the waves together.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:14:56]:
I'm a wavicle, a living light display. No matter is too solid. It's all about the phase. As I emit my frequency, my light defines my space.

Vision Battlesword [01:15:14]:
I can't imagine a better way to end this episode than that because it really just brings together every single thing we talked about. Just about.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:15:25]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:15:26]:
And we can save entropy for a whole nother day. That's a. That's a different. That's a different topic.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:15:31]:
Different topic.

Vision Battlesword [01:15:32]:
But that was. That was awesome. That's a great poem. I love that quantum. That's your Quantum Poetry book? Games with Myself, yes. Wow. How do I get a copy of that?

Rosemarie Wilde [01:15:42]:
It is on Amazon.

Vision Battlesword [01:15:44]:
Nice. I'll have to go check that out.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:15:46]:
Yes. Under Rosemarie Bedrucci.

Vision Battlesword [01:15:49]:
All right, then I can put that in the notes, too, in case anybody else wants to check it out. What are your final thoughts on energy? After this little exploration and all these little threads that we've pulled on? Have you come to any new conclusions or tie it all together?

Rosemarie Wilde [01:16:07]:
For me, it's how we play with it. I would say it's a reaffirmation to me that it's not so much what it is or what it isn't. But it's how we direct it and how we choose to play with it, utilize it in any given moment. And when we remember it now being the only moment we're present to. It's like, what is the most fun I could be having in this moment? What's the most play? What's the most beautiful vision I can cast for myself? Call in and have fun on the journey of bringing it into experiential reality?

Vision Battlesword [01:16:40]:
Yeah. Well, I'd say that I am both more clear and less clear now about energy. But what it seems to me is it's a word that we use to mean everything. Yeah, it's synonymous with everything. And to your point, I think what's important about energy is how it's structured, how it's ordered, what its configuration is. And more and more, I'm coming to believe that the word for that is information that we are made of patterns of energy. And some patterns, maybe all to your point, at the very beginning of this conversation about the electron, maybe all. But certainly some of these patterns are the kind that we call consciousness because they are the kind that has the ability to be aware of itself.

Vision Battlesword [01:17:44]:
Fun stuff.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:17:45]:
Great.

Vision Battlesword [01:17:46]:
Thanks for the conversation. I really appreciate.

Rosemarie Wilde [01:17:47]:
Thank you. This is fun.

Vision Battlesword [01:17:49]:
Yeah, it's good information.