Vision Battlesword [00:00:00]:
How you feeling today? Mandarin man?

Mandarin Man [00:00:02]:
I feel great.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:03]:
Yeah?

Mandarin Man [00:00:04]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:04]:
Good.

Mandarin Man [00:00:06]:
Happy to be here. Feel abundant, productive. I look forward to this.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:14]:
Nice. Who would you say that you are in this moment?

Mandarin Man [00:00:20]:
Ah, so many things. Author, investor, songwriter, a friend, a vision entrepreneur, a lover of fruit, and lover and user of language, which I think is very important. And there's just something about it that really intrigues me, and I've been on this kind of mysterious unfolding with the language. Of course, I get lost in it, too, in just everyday life, and we use it left, right, you know, very casually. And I think there's a power to it that we're not fully embracing or utilizing. And I think it's been muddied and some. At some point in the way, and either it's been intentionally muddied or just duality is being expressed with it. And so it kind of has this dualistic, split tongued, opposite meaning in so many of the words, which is mainly fascinating but also frustrating sometimes.

Vision Battlesword [00:01:38]:
That's a perfect intro. I like that you use the word muddied, because muddied is what happens when we mix something with water. And I know that that is going to be a theme of what we talk about today, about the topic of language, which is, was that the first. Do you feel like that was the first thing that we really connected on as humans? That kind of. We resonated with each other and saw something in each other that we wanted to explore in our relationship?

Mandarin Man [00:02:09]:
You know, I don't recall entirely. It's been a theme for a while.

Vision Battlesword [00:02:14]:
It's always been a theme. Yeah. It's one of our fun little hobbies, I think, exploring language, or as we like to call it, our little inside joke. The languish.

Mandarin Man [00:02:24]:
That's right.

Vision Battlesword [00:02:25]:
I'm Vision Battlesword, as you know. I'm the founder of Sacred Light, the creator of Intentional Autonomous Relating, and the host of Sacred Conversations. And my first question for you today about language is in your little opening intro monologue, there you were saying, I this and I that, and before we even get started, I just want to check in with you and say, who is speaking.

Mandarin Man [00:02:54]:
The soul?

Vision Battlesword [00:02:55]:
Do you understand my question?

Mandarin Man [00:02:56]:
I believe so.

Vision Battlesword [00:02:56]:
Okay.

Mandarin Man [00:02:58]:
I mean, the way I received that question is, the soul that inhabits Eric Fry, aka mandarin man, at this moment, and what we believe to be 2024, is that's who's speaking.

Vision Battlesword [00:03:14]:
How do you separate that thing from language? The language that? How do you separate the I from the. Speak the words?

Mandarin Man [00:03:25]:
I mean, can you.

Vision Battlesword [00:03:26]:
That's my question.

Mandarin Man [00:03:27]:
Yeah, I've been told that your personality. People's personalities change when they speak different languages. I speak a little bit of Spanish, and I. I tend to believe. I mean, clearly my vocabulary is not as deep in Spanish as it is in English. And so there's a rudimentary or elementary kind of version of your personality, possibly, if you're not adept at one language versus another. But, you know, all languages. I forget who told me this, but it has an asymptotic relationship to truth.

Mandarin Man [00:04:05]:
You know, the asymptote.

Vision Battlesword [00:04:06]:
Sure.

Mandarin Man [00:04:07]:
Where the curve of the line always gets closer to the y axis, but it never touches.

Vision Battlesword [00:04:12]:
The classic exponential curve is asymptote. Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:04:16]:
And so whether speaking to yourself or speaking to another. And that's a great. I mean, in mathematics, like, we try to get to the meaning of a word. Well, in mathematics, the mean is the average, and so what is the meaning? Well, we take his meaning and her meaning and his meaning, and we add those all together, and that's how we find meaning. And so you're always doing that to yourself. It's one thing this really got me after I was kind of onto this. I can tell you where it's funny you were involved. I don't know if it was that ayahuasca ceremony weekend, but this was definitely given to me in ceremony.

Mandarin Man [00:04:56]:
You know, the mother said, eric sullengua is una mentida. And I was like, what I want to say. I didn't want to say. I said, que he? But I did not. Sulengue is inno mentira. Your language is a lie. And then it kind of said, pero no as la coupe de la hiente. It's not the people's fault.

Mandarin Man [00:05:17]:
The language is a lie, but it's not the people's fault. And we can't get mad at, dare I say, imprisoned people, people captured by their language if it's the only language they were ever taught. And so I got onto myself. It's, like, bad enough that we have to use this language between one another, but we also have to use this language internally to talk to ourself.

Vision Battlesword [00:05:39]:
Yeah, I'm really glad you mentioned that. That's kind of what I'm getting at. I love that phrase. People are imprisoned by their language, and I like to get the hard questions out of the way right off the bat, as you know. And that's why I, like, jump straight to who's talking to me right now. Who exactly is this that claims we're figuring them out to be speaking Ian language? But at any rate, sometimes we define a person or personality. Like, when we're talking about ourself, we think of that as a narrative construct. We think of that as a story that something is telling all the time.

Vision Battlesword [00:06:24]:
Our internal narrator, so to speak. We're sort of like a real time storytelling machine that is self creating out of language. We meaning the personality. So that's another way of looking at being captured by language or being imprisoned by language. You know, it makes me think of meditation, which I know is a topic near and dear to your heart. We are trying to stop that internal monologue, that internal narrator, and thereby, like, liberate our self from the prison of language that has somehow captured us.

Mandarin Man [00:07:08]:
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know Kierkegaard.

Vision Battlesword [00:07:11]:
Sure.

Mandarin Man [00:07:12]:
You know, by naming it, you ruin it. I think he said something like that. Like, by trying to name God or name whatever we are, you've already limited it inherently just by trying to place some title on it. I mean, that's like metaphysics 101. You know, the artist in each of us craves to express, and most of us do that with the words we speak.

Vision Battlesword [00:07:34]:
Well, I actually am kind of looking in this moment right now, I'm kind of looking at this thing that we do this sacred conversations as. Because what we're doing. What we do is we deconstruct language and try to figure out how the world works and how reality works through our language constructs primarily. It's almost like. It's almost like a thing trying to take itself. Apartheid.

Mandarin Man [00:08:00]:
Mmm, that's right.

Vision Battlesword [00:08:01]:
To see how it works.

Mandarin Man [00:08:02]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:08:03]:
There's something really recursive and fractal and loopy about it.

Mandarin Man [00:08:07]:
Yes. Which I love so much.

Vision Battlesword [00:08:10]:
I know.

Mandarin Man [00:08:12]:
Like, it's trying to figure itself out. It's using itself to try to figure it out. And maybe we wouldn't be so intrigued by that idea if it were. If it weren't so confounding and confusing. And we don't actually appreciate how dualistic and confounding and confusing it is until you start breaking it apart. Looking, you know, turning it over and looking at it at different angles.

Vision Battlesword [00:08:40]:
Yeah. Looking at it. I'm so glad you invoked that in that moment, because I was just thinking what we do with language to try to understand our own experience is like an I without the benefit of a mirror or any. Any external reflection, trying to figure out what it looks like.

Mandarin Man [00:09:00]:
I mean, that's. I I say I is right. That's the whole. It's so trippy.

Vision Battlesword [00:09:06]:
Yeah. What do you think? What you do? You do so much with phonetics and homophone rhyming or same or similar sounding words.

Mandarin Man [00:09:17]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:09:18]:
Which I think is interesting.

Mandarin Man [00:09:19]:
Well, often when there are homophones, they're opposite meanings. A good example is peace, like at peace or in a piece apart from the rest of a whole or other pieces. Whole. W H O l E is complete. Or in a hole. I always think it's funny that the church misspells holy should have a w on it. Right.

Vision Battlesword [00:09:50]:
What is a hole? H O l e?

Mandarin Man [00:09:52]:
A hole in the ground.

Vision Battlesword [00:09:53]:
Yeah, I know, but what is it?

Mandarin Man [00:09:55]:
That's where we bury people. Like, it's, you know.

Vision Battlesword [00:09:58]:
I know, but. But you can also. You can make a hole displaced earth. Like, you can make a hole on a piece of paper. You can have a hole in your reasoning. You can have a hole in your head. You can have. What's.

Vision Battlesword [00:10:12]:
What's the same about all of those different situations?

Mandarin Man [00:10:17]:
It's gone. Something was there is now not there.

Vision Battlesword [00:10:21]:
It's defined by something being missing that is exactly the opposite of W h o L E. Yeah. That's fascinating.

Mandarin Man [00:10:29]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:10:30]:
And where do you put holy in all of that?

Mandarin Man [00:10:32]:
H o l y. I don't know.

Vision Battlesword [00:10:34]:
Okay, well, what do you want to tell me about going back to your ayahuasca epiphany? And I think that this is kind of where it all starts for you. That led to this whole unraveling or cascading awareness of what English is all about. Is that where you're headed with it?

Mandarin Man [00:10:53]:
Yes. And what I was thinking recently was, you know, ing land, England. It's funny, it's like, with that prefix, ing is typically a suffix. Right. Running, talking. And so England is the land of doing a.

Vision Battlesword [00:11:09]:
It's a thing that the ing suffix is a language. What would you do? What do you call that? A phoneme or a diphthong or. I'm not sure exactly. Yeah. It's a thing that makes never back to ing again. I know, right?

Mandarin Man [00:11:25]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:11:25]:
That's weird. It makes a verb into a present tense, present participle, I think.

Mandarin Man [00:11:33]:
That's another thing that's so frustrating about this. I'm not a very good grammar student of grammar, but that is where this began. And I started seeing things, like just noticing the dualistic double speak. I mean, I think a lot of people who are into this stuff start with spelling and cursive. Right.

Vision Battlesword [00:11:55]:
Spelling.

Mandarin Man [00:11:56]:
We cast spells. Right. Yeah. Let me curse spells and curses. Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:12:03]:
Oh, I'm sorry. This is new to me.

Mandarin Man [00:12:05]:
This is new to you. Yeah. And so that's kind of interesting if nothing Else. But that with the IdEA that if there are Curse words, like, so, we can tag on that. Like, there are Curse Words and Non Curse words. But I think a lot of people who are into the power of language, every word we speak is a curse word. Like, we're manifesting with OUr words non stop and how intentionally we care to do that. You know, some people do it more than others, right? Some people are more into that idea than others, you know? But I think we're all doing it whether we want to or not.

Mandarin Man [00:12:39]:
And so that's why it could be frustrating if we speak a Double SpEAK language, dare I say a slave's language, a dirty language that inhibits that manifestation power.

Vision Battlesword [00:12:52]:
But it's not just. It's not just the language that we speak, as we established in this conversation. It is literally the stuff we're made of. It's our programming language.

Mandarin Man [00:13:02]:
It's the code that describes our system. Right?

Vision Battlesword [00:13:06]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:13:06]:
And going back with the I, before I forget this, we all want. I say we all want. I think most of us want respect in that word. It's been tested over and over. We respect it. Right? We've looked at it. That's where inspection comes from, or your spectacles. But we respected it.

Mandarin Man [00:13:24]:
We respect over and over and over. So respect. Respect. Have you, you know, seen again, again, seen again? It has so, so much quality. We can't quite quit. We can't quit looking at it. Huh? And, you know, another one is release that I have a. Not a problem with.

Mandarin Man [00:13:42]:
But this interesting, it's like, oh, I release you every year. We gonna sign that lease again. We're gonna release.

Vision Battlesword [00:13:49]:
Your lease is up for renewal.

Mandarin Man [00:13:51]:
That's right. It's like, oh, I want to be released. And so there, it's just when we start looking at this, and I have more examples, a big block of this that we must talk about is the connection. So back to England. England had this huge navy. And there also seems to be this connection, as you mentioned, with water. And when we talked about how the language is muddied, an example. The one example of that is, you know, we're back.

Mandarin Man [00:14:20]:
Back to the eye is connection to the sea, right? We. The sea. As we look out on the horizon to see what's coming, don't you see the sea? And we travel around in a lot of seas, as in agency, interdependency, redundancy. And then how do we get with, in these words that are oceanic sea light with ships, friendship, censorship, membership. And so they're over and over. There tends to be this connection to water in the english language that I believe comes from the hundreds of hundreds of years that we were out on the high seas exploring the world. That's how that is the legacy of the great british nation. Sun never sets on Great Britain, right.

Mandarin Man [00:15:13]:
Because they have so many colonies. That's a lot of fun to me, to understand the nautical terms in our english language, because I think it gives us a clue to the history of this and where all this kind of came from. And then a big part of that is also with banking. So there's connection to the english language and water. And then the banking or monetary are currency system has a lot of this stuff in there, right? You have banks of a river. The bank is where we direct the cash flow of liquid assets. And so I think that's fun to examine and look at.

Vision Battlesword [00:15:58]:
So English, in your opinion, English is.

Mandarin Man [00:16:01]:
A sailor's language, and, you know, that's another homophone here. But I. The merchants and the sailing, that's why we have a sale. What are you, what are you selling? What are you sailing? What are your goods? And important. The most important thing is the port when you're out at sea. That's why it's important. And so there's some of these things just explain what they. What they are through, like conjunctions, like you said pitfall earlier, welcome.

Mandarin Man [00:16:40]:
We hope you have a welcome. Like you've come. And these words have just conjoined, and they describe the thing that it is that are just, those are just more fun. But they seem like the backstop of all this seems to be, have some kind of connection to water. And also it could be just water is life, right? Water is just so important. So, of course, the language is going to replicate. It's going to, like, be birthed from the thing that's most important on the planet, conceivably the water.

Vision Battlesword [00:17:09]:
Yes and no, because there's different kinds of water. And you're really convincing me more so than I think ever before. And we've had this conversation several times in different ways. You're convincing me now more than ever that English really is a seafaring people's language, because it really seems very specific. More so than people who live on the river or people who live by the lake or people who live by the well or the cenote or the oasis or any other kind of water, you know, source of water, which is the source of life that we would create settlement around or associate our civilization with. This really is about travel. This is about migration and mercantilism or trade and perhaps also war ships.

Mandarin Man [00:18:04]:
Yeah, yeah. Warship said worship. Yeah. That's a fun one.

Vision Battlesword [00:18:09]:
Well, I'm just saying that. Well, okay, so there's another association that.

Mandarin Man [00:18:12]:
I'm making that's militaristic.

Vision Battlesword [00:18:15]:
Yeah. That has to do with the point that you're making about banking. And also, I think, law, this idea like that, the language that. That we've been captured by seems to have something to do with the law of the high seas as compared to the law of the land, in a way.

Mandarin Man [00:18:34]:
Right, yes. Okay. Yeah. So it sounds like now you want. Yeah, you want to get into the admiralty law. Maritime. Maritime law.

Vision Battlesword [00:18:42]:
I'm not saying I want to get into it. I'm just. We're just exploring.

Mandarin Man [00:18:45]:
Yeah. Well, with the militaristic thing that I think is interesting is that the generals would meet in the tent, and so they would come intent to express their ideas, their strategies. Right. So that's where we get attention. You know, that's an idea about attention. Your intention. We can call you to.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:06]:
Well, we said we're. Either you're intent or you can be at the tent.

Mandarin Man [00:19:10]:
Right, right, yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:11]:
Attent intent.

Mandarin Man [00:19:13]:
Yeah. Overarching. I think you're right. It's like militarist. It's like, you know, if you're gonna explore the world, you're gonna have to do that with boats. And for better or worse, there was a conquering or there was a financial incentive in all of this. And then also this kind of conquest that was.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:35]:
Yeah, sadly, there's a questing element of it. It's all about questing. You know, it can be conquest, but it can also be exploration. It can be trade and commerce. Yeah, but I'm starting to believe you. I'm starting to believe that you can, by analyzing a people's language in this way, you can get information about where those people came from, what their maybe traditional society was based on and how they developed and how they evolved. We don't have a languish, as far as I can tell, that's got everything to do with desert stuff.

Mandarin Man [00:20:10]:
Right.

Vision Battlesword [00:20:11]:
Desert stuff and ocean sand and whatever.

Mandarin Man [00:20:14]:
That's a good point. Like, one, if we can zoom out as if we were aliens or some overseer and really examine it, that's another question. Yeah, we can't have a quest without a question. You can get a clearer view of like, hey, well, they, they seem to like, have the, have these vibrations, like, if they heard it, it's just the vibration of what they're saying that are similar. That have all these meanings that they don't seem to maybe see but exist.

Vision Battlesword [00:20:45]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:20:45]:
Like coming into this earth through the birth canal or the birth channel. And then the birth of a ship is the. That you birth the ship, you release it into the water. And also, I think, describes, like the width of it. Right. The birth of the.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:01]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:21:01]:
Of the bow.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:03]:
Oh, my gosh.

Mandarin Man [00:21:04]:
Wow. Yeah. And then where do you, who delivers you? The Doctor.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:08]:
The Doctor.

Mandarin Man [00:21:10]:
Go to the dock. Right. Wow. Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:13]:
It's all about ships.

Mandarin Man [00:21:14]:
It's all about ships. Another one that I like in religion is the Godspell or the gospel. Yeah, they'll tell the gospel. It's the godspell and the word. And there's a lot of this in Christianity, too. The word makes itself manifest. And that's what you're saying. Yeah, that's manifest.

Mandarin Man [00:21:36]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:37]:
That's the list of goods on the ship.

Mandarin Man [00:21:39]:
That's right. The manifest. That's absolutely right. There you go. Good one.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:44]:
I'm catching on.

Mandarin Man [00:21:45]:
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Great. So what about another one? Is not.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:49]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:21:50]:
You say, is so and so coming to the party? No, they are not. That is a stoppage. Just like if you wanted to create a stoppage in a rope, you would tie a knot. Kn o t, knot.

Vision Battlesword [00:22:03]:
But then this whole thing has to do with nots. N a U T. Correct. Because it's all nautical. So you've got not, not and not.

Mandarin Man [00:22:13]:
Yeah. The words are not in itself. And so.

Vision Battlesword [00:22:15]:
And the word is it not.

Mandarin Man [00:22:17]:
Huh?

Vision Battlesword [00:22:18]:
You're saying the word itself.

Mandarin Man [00:22:19]:
The word itself, the energy. Not.

Vision Battlesword [00:22:20]:
Yes.

Mandarin Man [00:22:21]:
Is a not because. Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:22:24]:
What do we do with this information?

Mandarin Man [00:22:26]:
Well, I think I'm figuring that out still, to be honest. Like, it.

Vision Battlesword [00:22:31]:
It's me on nest, to be honest.

Mandarin Man [00:22:33]:
Yes. I think, you know, another idea I had about this whole thing, and I really think it's just duality expressing itself. Like, we can't. Like earlier, you're like, there's different types of water. Yeah. There's fresh water and salt water, and those water manifests in duality here. And there's always this male, female, hot, cold, the sun on the moon, just over and over and over. And so it could just be the lane expressing itself through duality.

Mandarin Man [00:23:03]:
And it's almost, and I've been told this when I've had this conversation with people who speak other languages. Other languages. And they say it also exists in those languages, too.

Vision Battlesword [00:23:11]:
Really?

Mandarin Man [00:23:12]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:23:13]:
The nautical stuff.

Mandarin Man [00:23:14]:
No, just the double, the dualistic, like whole and whole and piece and piece and.

Vision Battlesword [00:23:20]:
Right.

Mandarin Man [00:23:21]:
You know, we can get into some of the negative, more negative stuff, like, you know, we keep ashes in an urna. But you also earn a wage. What is your. Someone might say, what is your undertaking? It's your job. But undertakers also want someone who takes out dead people. Right.

Vision Battlesword [00:23:39]:
This piece, I'm starting to. It's starting to really. You know how sometimes you look at a word for too long and it just starts to look really strange and it's like it can't be the right spelling. That doesn't anymore. I'm starting to have that sense just from this concept of. We're using the exact same sound to mean wildly different things.

Mandarin Man [00:24:02]:
Why would we do that?

Vision Battlesword [00:24:03]:
And also sometimes the exact same word, both the way it sounds and the way it's written or manifest visually. It's the same word meaning multiple different things. Like undertaking, that you just. You just mentioned several of them. Yeah, well, earn is.

Mandarin Man [00:24:24]:
I'm always looking for more, though.

Vision Battlesword [00:24:25]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:24:26]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:24:26]:
Well, I'm. There's. So. I'm sure there's many, and they'll probably continue to pop up during our conversation, but that's just. I'm just starting to notice that as really strange, like, this whole thing that you started. You opened this whole topic on the concept of double speak and that we speak a double language or we speak a duplicitous. Duplicitous. We have duplicitous code that we're running, which is somehow a part of our way of being captured or restrained.

Mandarin Man [00:25:01]:
Yeah. So this is your position. But what is someone's disposition? It seems like they would be different, but they're the. Actually quite the same. And so the prefix d and dis is interesting in that way, because sometimes it undoes the thing, but sometimes it doesn't. And true, beautiful energy, like light, cannot be undone with delight. It's another thing that's good, because you can't. Some energies are so pure, you can't undo them.

Vision Battlesword [00:25:34]:
But isn't it interesting? Do you notice how you just used undo and do not to mean two different things?

Mandarin Man [00:25:42]:
Right.

Vision Battlesword [00:25:42]:
What's up with that?

Mandarin Man [00:25:44]:
That's a funny one. So undo. Yeah. Do not. Hmm.

Vision Battlesword [00:25:48]:
Where did we get this language, and how do we find our way back out of it?

Mandarin Man [00:25:53]:
Okay, so here's what I was thinking yesterday that I think will help people out. Those people being me and you. Okay, so, you know you have the primary colors.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:03]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:26:04]:
Red, green, and yellow. Believe. Well, no, no, it's red, blue, and yellow.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:12]:
That's right.

Mandarin Man [00:26:12]:
Okay. Those are the primary colors. With those colors, you can make the.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:16]:
Secondary colors orange, green, and purple.

Mandarin Man [00:26:20]:
Orange, green, and purple. Thank you. Yeah. And so those original primary colors. And so let's say they did that. And so now we have six colors, but then we took away the original primary colors. You could still paint with those secondary colors and have a beautiful painting, but they've been mixed together in such a way that's limiting if you don't have the completeness of the six colors. That's kind of what I think is going on.

Mandarin Man [00:26:47]:
That's a visual representation of something that's happening audibly.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:53]:
So you're saying that, like, we've got tinted palette. In a way. Yeah, we can. We can still create a complete and coherent picture of reality, but if we had access to those primary colors, we'd be able to see a different spectrum and realize that that's actually a lot closer to.

Mandarin Man [00:27:12]:
Yes. And so that's what I think we're trying to do. That's what I'm trying to do. And that's what people who say grand rising, they know that they don't want to. Like, morning mourning is what we do when someone is died. They're spelt differently, but our brain doesn't hear them any differently. They're pronounced the same, and so it's the same vibration, even though it has different meanings. Why do we say hello?

Vision Battlesword [00:27:35]:
I don't know.

Mandarin Man [00:27:37]:
Hell is not a good place. Hell we don't like, yet we inhale.

Vision Battlesword [00:27:42]:
When we breathe, and yet. Can I be, like, just real with you right now? It's just the two of us. Nobody else is here listening. Can I just be totally transparent with you?

Mandarin Man [00:27:51]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:27:52]:
I do kind of find the whole idea of grand rising and heaven. Yes. And these kind of things. These kind of things that sometimes we say in this community to be a little goofy and kind of lame.

Mandarin Man [00:28:10]:
Well, I'm sorry to hear that.

Vision Battlesword [00:28:12]:
Yeah. Why are you experiencing sorrow right now?

Mandarin Man [00:28:16]:
Because I think they're fun.

Vision Battlesword [00:28:17]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:28:18]:
Yeah. Especially when people don't. The fun is not using them in community vision. The fun is using them to people. At the coffee shop. I see grand rising. What? Gotcha. And then you get to look over, and your partner slaps her head.

Mandarin Man [00:28:35]:
It's like, oh, my God.

Vision Battlesword [00:28:36]:
Yeah. Well, I'm with you on the whole idea, and I'm with, you know, I'm with this concept of cleaning up our language. As, you know, I'm, like, a champion of it and becoming aware of the spells and curses that we've been indoctrinated with and that we use on ourself. And each other all the time, unconsciously. And cleaning that up and reframing that, re patterning, reprogramming, all of that. I just. I have a sense that there's something different than just doing kind of like a find and replace. I know that I'm probably sounding hypocritical right now because that's precisely what we do with the word work versus play.

Mandarin Man [00:29:18]:
Right.

Vision Battlesword [00:29:19]:
And things like that.

Mandarin Man [00:29:20]:
Yep.

Vision Battlesword [00:29:20]:
But sometimes it works for me and sometimes it doesn't. I don't know what that's about. I guess sometimes it just feels more contrived and less natural. That's what it is for me.

Mandarin Man [00:29:31]:
Well, when you've been speaking nothing but the slave's language for 40 years, it will see him seem unnatural.

Vision Battlesword [00:29:37]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:29:37]:
You know, could we just say something.

Vision Battlesword [00:29:39]:
Like happy day or good day. Good day. Good day. What's wrong with a good day? Isn't that what we used to say?

Mandarin Man [00:29:45]:
Yeah, I mean, good day is good. The association between good and God is a lot of fun, too, you know, it's a God day.

Vision Battlesword [00:29:54]:
Spells and curses. Okay. This one, I don't know why I never saw the curse cursive. The curse and cursive before. That's wild. So a script, a handwritten script is a curse language. It's how we write curses.

Mandarin Man [00:30:13]:
Yeah, that one, I don't know. You know what a grimoire is?

Vision Battlesword [00:30:18]:
Yeah. It's a piece of furniture.

Mandarin Man [00:30:21]:
It's armoire.

Vision Battlesword [00:30:22]:
Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. No, it's a tome of. It's a book.

Mandarin Man [00:30:26]:
It's a book of spells. Yeah, the grimoire. And that's where we get the word grammar. And so the grammar is a book of spells.

Vision Battlesword [00:30:37]:
Are you familiar with the trivium?

Mandarin Man [00:30:38]:
What's that? No.

Vision Battlesword [00:30:41]:
The trivium was the original liberal arts education. So we're talking about classical period, greek and roman, you know, approximately around the time of the birth of Christ, you know, maybe, say, 500 bc, all the way through the Middle Ages. It was actually. First it was the trivium, which stands for the three roads.

Mandarin Man [00:31:06]:
Right?

Vision Battlesword [00:31:06]:
And then it was also the quadrivium, which is the four roads. So those seven subjects collectively were considered a complete elite education. This would be considered to be like going to college, right? Studying these seven courses generally as a wealthy, privileged member of the upper class, the people who would actually receive an education, the trivium subjects were grammar, logic, and rhetoric. And for a time, that was all that was considered needed. That was considered to be the complete education of an elite citizen ready for life, ready to rule actually rule, how to speak, how to think.

Mandarin Man [00:31:52]:
And what was rhetoric?

Vision Battlesword [00:31:53]:
You think, oh, I know what rhetoric is. Rhetoric is the art of the thing that we're doing right now describing.

Mandarin Man [00:32:01]:
Yes. And I like rule that made me think of, like, the idea of being rewarded or awarded. And the word like award is a subject. Right. So you do something right. You get an award.

Vision Battlesword [00:32:19]:
You get award.

Mandarin Man [00:32:20]:
You get award. Very valuable. And so a lot of these are holdovers from, you know, miners. Another one, miners, a young person. But it's also someone who goes in a cave. Unfortunately. That's who we're going in caves. The miners.

Vision Battlesword [00:32:34]:
Well, they're small enough to fit in all that's right.

Mandarin Man [00:32:36]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:32:37]:
But you're talking about the grimoire, the grammar. And so, in the words of quintillion, to complete your trivium education means you have now become the good citizen speaking well. And this is considered to be, you know, the pinnacle of civilization, really? Because you know the spells.

Mandarin Man [00:33:00]:
Right.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:01]:
You know how to assemble them.

Mandarin Man [00:33:03]:
Right. To logic.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:05]:
Yes. And then you know how to cast them.

Mandarin Man [00:33:09]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:09]:
Through writing.

Mandarin Man [00:33:10]:
You have the complete catalog of them. That's the grammar.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:13]:
It's magic. It's. You've. You've mastered the art of magic in our language system.

Mandarin Man [00:33:19]:
Yeah. And I think another. So I don't know a lot about Hebrew, but their language, the little I do know is that it communicates in different ways and it has multiple meanings, wherein the example I was told or that I know is, like, if one is father, two is mother, three is child. And so when you add a father and a mother, you get a child. And so I think. I don't know that English really has that in a similar way.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:52]:
No, you're right. I think Hebrew is a very interesting language, and you're inspiring me to become more curious about it in the fact that it is both. It's phonetic, it's iconic, and numerological or numerical. That's fascinating. It seems very sophisticated in that way.

Mandarin Man [00:34:11]:
Right? Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:34:13]:
Mandarin, man. We're a little bit of the ways into this, and maybe I should have asked this question earlier, but I'm going to ask it now. What is language?

Mandarin Man [00:34:24]:
It's the vibration between two people. It's a way. It's a way to feel. It's a way to alter the feelings of ourself or others. To get more information, to get our intent are to simply enhance our experience. That's why we can be brought to tears with beautiful poetry or a song, which is even, you know, we haven't talked about tonal languages versus atonal languages. English is an atonal language versus Cantonese or Taiwanese. Many of the.

Mandarin Man [00:34:59]:
Not all of the eastern languages are tonal languages. And so they'll have one word that will have three or four different tones or pitches or inflections that mean different things. There's a classic, I think it's Vietnamese. That cow is the same word for mother. And if you inflect it wrong, you can offend someone pretty badly. And so, you know, these words in these languages, they evoke feeling, and they're trying to. It's like a two way kind of door. It's like they're driven by feeling.

Mandarin Man [00:35:32]:
You get really angry. You say things that are harsh and mean in a loud volume. And they're also meant to induce a feeling, if not simply an understanding, into another individual. Right. And that's why conversation about language is so, so fun and so interesting, because you're turning the thing back on itself. You're trying to shoot the gun with the gun. You know, it's very challenging and fruitful.

Vision Battlesword [00:35:57]:
But what about forms of language that don't take the form of, at least auditory vibrations, like the written word or just the word as it exists in your own subjective consciousness, thinking words.

Mandarin Man [00:36:15]:
Yeah, I've thought about that. You know, they say if you're trying to manifest something, you should write it down. I mean, there's. There's. Yeah, there's speaking words. There's writing them down, and then there's recording them and hearing them back again later. And I think words that are written down, I think the reason that they say people recommend to write things down, you're trying to manifest is because now they have another, more conceivably permanent signature here in physical reality. And so they're a further layer down in a weird way.

Mandarin Man [00:36:45]:
And I say a further layer down that we have to have that conversation. We have to get into, like, layers of reality and the mental layer, then the emotional layer, the causal layer, and the physical layer, which is what we're in.

Vision Battlesword [00:37:00]:
And so aren't we in all of those layers?

Mandarin Man [00:37:03]:
We're in all those layers. Yes. I would say you can look at it as top down, but it's probably more likely like an in out. And the physical layer is this crust where we reside that contains all those other layers in it that had to exist to be here in a physical space, in a physical game, if you want to call it that.

Vision Battlesword [00:37:24]:
Yeah, well, I like where you're going with this because that's kind of. That's kind of the same direction that I'm heading with it, thinking about a word. Let's just make it as simple as possible. We've got a language that consists of just one word, one word. But that word encapsulates something. It encapsulates some information. It encodes information. That's kind of what language is or what it does.

Vision Battlesword [00:37:49]:
But then that encoding can take many, many different forms. It could take the form of a script or an icon written in pencil on a piece of paper. It could be written in ink on my whiteboard. It could be typed on a computer screen. It can be stored on a hard drive. It can be stored as a typewritten set of letters in the pages of a book or on the screen of a digital book. And it can just exist purely in my own mind, in the electrochemical configurations and signatures of my particular brain state at that time. There could be a word that does not exist, never has and never will in any other form than just in my own consciousness.

Vision Battlesword [00:38:35]:
So what the hell is that?

Mandarin Man [00:38:41]:
Hmm.

Vision Battlesword [00:38:42]:
Oh, and, of course, as vibrations in the air, as you initially. Yeah, like I've initially defined it. But that's really only one of many, many, many forms that language can take. Now, maybe that's the primary one. That's the one that evolved in our species, but maybe not. There's a book that's really important to me and was really influential on me called the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind. And in that book, there's an archaeological analysis through the lens of psychology, that posits the theory that language is not actually a manifestation of consciousness, but that consciousness is a manifestation of language. That language came first, and then we woke up.

Mandarin Man [00:39:37]:
Interesting.

Vision Battlesword [00:39:38]:
I know it's a mind bender, but I've actually come to believe that consciousness.

Mandarin Man [00:39:43]:
Expressed through human beings, assuming that the trees and other things don't have consciousness.

Vision Battlesword [00:39:48]:
Yeah, thank you for pressing me on the definition of that. Because what this is talking about is specifically this narrative construct, the way that we defined personality earlier. The idea of this narrative construct, this ego state, this thing that we can shut off during meditation, this thing that talks to itself incessantly and believes that it is the whole person. That thing is actually an artifact of language, that we have a whole other consciousness and all the other creatures on this planet.

Mandarin Man [00:40:20]:
Right, right.

Vision Battlesword [00:40:21]:
Other consciousness.

Mandarin Man [00:40:23]:
And then, in fact, whatever language we are using is cloaking that thing, in.

Vision Battlesword [00:40:29]:
A way, constructing it.

Mandarin Man [00:40:32]:
Yeah. And that's why I think we're all.

Vision Battlesword [00:40:35]:
So desperate to be cloaking the deeper consciousness.

Mandarin Man [00:40:39]:
Yes. Yes. It's kind of like the tip of the volcano that's bubbling out, but there's so much more under the crust of that volcano.

Vision Battlesword [00:40:51]:
Yeah. Or like tip of the iceberg kind of thing, right?

Mandarin Man [00:40:53]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:40:53]:
Yeah, exactly.

Mandarin Man [00:40:54]:
Well, some people are icebergs, some people are volcanoes.

Vision Battlesword [00:40:57]:
But that's. That's the prison. The language. The language based narrative construct. That is the thing that is creating the prison. Or that is the prison.

Mandarin Man [00:41:10]:
Yeah. It's interesting that that word is so similar to prism. Fascinating. It's that soul essence being refracted, which, by the way, looks like a iceberg or volcano, which is interesting, too.

Vision Battlesword [00:41:24]:
But all of this, for me, comes back to information theory, because that's the thing. This idea of information, what is that? This ephemeral substance that or not substance, this ephemeral phenomenon that somehow is mutable and fungible into all of these different material forms, and yet it's somehow still the same thing. You take that one word and the information that it represents so that it encodes, and it can be a collection of stones on the ground, and it can be markings on a cave, and it can be all of these different things.

Mandarin Man [00:42:05]:
Well, that word, I think it's good to break that word down. Information.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:09]:
Let's do it.

Mandarin Man [00:42:10]:
It's form.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:11]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:42:11]:
Right. Nation, or ation, is a collective of. So it's an in formation and in means to manifest or to be or to. Right. Go inward.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:25]:
I think you could break it down even further than that. Okay, so we've got in form a. And then tion. Cause shun. We've talked about shun before.

Mandarin Man [00:42:35]:
We've talked about shun before.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:37]:
So Shun shows up a lot. I don't think it's. I don't think it's nation. I think it's a shun in form. A shun in form is shun.

Mandarin Man [00:42:46]:
Hmm.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:46]:
I don't know what that means, but I see those parts there.

Mandarin Man [00:42:50]:
Yeah, shun. Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:52]:
Well, anyway, information, though, we have some idea of what that is. That's a hard one to define, but we have some idea that it's knowledge, it's concept. It's like thought, information.

Mandarin Man [00:43:05]:
Well, I can't believe we're just now getting to this, but know is a. I have a big problem with that.

Vision Battlesword [00:43:11]:
Tell me more.

Mandarin Man [00:43:12]:
The know to understand something, to know is also the same way. It's the shortest negative we have. No and o. And that is one of the. Those dualistic homophobic phones that. I mean, such a crux of our language. No, I mean, we need. No, we need that word.

Mandarin Man [00:43:35]:
But for it also to represent an understanding seems unfortunate.

Vision Battlesword [00:43:40]:
All right, well, you dragged me into it. I wasn't necessarily trying to go down this rabbit hole right now, but you dragged me into it. It doesn't represent an understanding. Knowledge and understanding, I believe, are two quite very different things. And I believe that understanding is a word of subjugation. I believe that is.

Mandarin Man [00:44:03]:
Yeah. Well, I think when it's prompted. Do you understand it? Is Jordan Maxwell mean anything to you? He talks a lot about this. He's passed on now, but he was, he talked a lot about the maritime admiralty law and how. That's why you go into court, right. Well, courts are where they play games, and you can't play the game unless you can pass the bar when you leave. When you pass the bar. Now you're in the law of the seas and you're back into the high seas, which is the, that's man's law versus the law of the land.

Mandarin Man [00:44:38]:
Is God's law, natural law. And, you know, he talks about like, you know, your car, when you buy in your car, they have an operator's manual. And so you are an operator of that vehicle. But if you are a driver of the vehicle, that is a legal term. And drivers, they're doing it for business activity. And that's why you need a driver's license and not an operator's license. And there's this whole. And because, so now if you're driving, you're submitting to the roads, the rules of the road.

Mandarin Man [00:45:07]:
You're gonna go the speed limit, you know, yada yada, use a blinker and that's where you can get a ticket if you're a driver. And people get into, oh, well, they'll fight this and say, I'm an operator, and you can evidently, like, get out of those tickets. I think this is kind of getting in the line, the lane with your friends who does the tax stuff. And, you know, that's kind of in that realm. But, you know, Jordan Maxwell said, understanding also is like, if you're analyzing a building, you have to go up under in the basement and look at the, you know, rafters or the studs or whatever, to stand under it, to have an understanding of that physical structure.

Vision Battlesword [00:45:45]:
That's real specific.

Mandarin Man [00:45:46]:
It's pretty specific. And I tend to agree with you that, yeah, it's a, you're standing under my law or my authority or whatever.

Vision Battlesword [00:45:55]:
Yeah, the concept itself, I'm standing under, I'm standing below, I'm standing in submission to whatever it could be. The concept, it could be you so.

Mandarin Man [00:46:04]:
Do you prefer inner standing?

Vision Battlesword [00:46:06]:
I like stand with.

Mandarin Man [00:46:07]:
Stand with.

Vision Battlesword [00:46:09]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:46:09]:
Okay.

Vision Battlesword [00:46:10]:
I actually created a whole system.

Mandarin Man [00:46:13]:
Uh oh. I like a system.

Vision Battlesword [00:46:16]:
Oh, I know you do. Yeah. I created a whole set of alternatives to understanding that allows us to get much more nuanced and much more sophisticated about our relationship to knowledge.

Mandarin Man [00:46:32]:
Okay.

Vision Battlesword [00:46:33]:
To information.

Mandarin Man [00:46:34]:
Okay.

Vision Battlesword [00:46:35]:
So, for example, the way that we would commonly throw around, informally throw around the word understand, I would say typically what we really mean is stand with. I stand with you as an equal in this knowledge, in this concept of if I believe what you say, if I'm receiving it, if I'm accepting it and internalizing it, and I support it, then I stand behind it.

Mandarin Man [00:47:04]:
Oh, I like that.

Vision Battlesword [00:47:06]:
Stand behind you.

Mandarin Man [00:47:06]:
Right.

Vision Battlesword [00:47:07]:
If I believe that I know what it is you're saying or what it is you're trying to communicate, but I'm not necessarily agreeing with it. I stand beside it.

Mandarin Man [00:47:19]:
Okay. Relationally, not as supportive as behind.

Vision Battlesword [00:47:23]:
Yeah. I'm near. I'm nearby.

Mandarin Man [00:47:25]:
Okay. I'm standing beside you.

Vision Battlesword [00:47:28]:
I'm not completely on my knees here.

Mandarin Man [00:47:30]:
I'm standing, standing beside. And standing behind are. I like the location description of how the word. We're kind of back to the. Here. And the ear.

Vision Battlesword [00:47:42]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:47:43]:
And the herd and the word.

Vision Battlesword [00:47:44]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [00:47:45]:
And that's where this stuff becomes the juiciest to me. When there's this slippery trickery in the language that seems to have, where the spell, like, collapses on itself, you know, that's a lot of fun.

Vision Battlesword [00:48:02]:
Yeah. I think that's the fun that we're having, is trying to figure out how to become intentional with our language. We're trying to get in the tent with it.

Mandarin Man [00:48:13]:
And I think exposing these nefarious kind of vibrations with the healthy. Hello, diagnosis, the synosis of how you're gonna die, inhale, like, touching on those, and then finding more positive versions of that I think could be beneficial. Is it silly, like, grand rising? Possibly at first. But why do we have to eat a diet instead of a live it? Yeah, that's cheesy, but why don't we call it diet?

Vision Battlesword [00:48:44]:
Why don't we just call it food? See, that's where I'm at. That's, that's, for me, where sometimes where we do these reversals or these turnarounds, like, I'm still. I'm all in on play instead of work, I'm going down with the shit.

Mandarin Man [00:48:58]:
We should do breath play.

Vision Battlesword [00:48:59]:
Sure. All on board with that one. But when we start getting into diet and then, and then live it, it feels to me like an over correction. It feels like we did. How about like. So you're saying, can we reframe things from a negative to a positive? Yeah, sure. I think that's cool. And I think I'm also reflecting back, can we just reframe things as true? Can we just reframe things as accurate? Because I'm certainly not meaning to say that this is food that will make me die over and over again throughout my entire life.

Vision Battlesword [00:49:33]:
I'm certainly not meaning to cast that spell, but is there anything negative about food? You know what I mean? It's just food.

Mandarin Man [00:49:41]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:49:41]:
Can just be food. It could just be clear. Our language could just be clear. It could just be descriptive. It could just be accurate. And that's kind of. And then we can decide, okay, what type of spell, now that I know my grammar, my logic and my rhetoric, what type of spell am I actually trying to cast here right now? And that's kind of where I'm going with under. That's kind of where I'm going with the relationship of standing right now.

Vision Battlesword [00:50:07]:
Maybe there are times when I actually do understand.

Mandarin Man [00:50:10]:
Well, here we don't know what we don't know. And so there are words that we don't have that. And I think that's why we use a lot of sanskrit words to decide in the spiritual community to talk about things like sigmata, right? Or sigmadi, rather.

Vision Battlesword [00:50:27]:
Excuse me, you mean samadhi.

Mandarin Man [00:50:29]:
Samadhi. Thank you. Thank you.

Vision Battlesword [00:50:31]:
There's your christian stuff coming through.

Mandarin Man [00:50:32]:
Yeah, yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:50:33]:
Stigmata and somati.

Mandarin Man [00:50:34]:
I was like, I said stigmata. Like, no, that's when you cry blood. Let me try that again. You know, and so my question is, how clear can we get with this English, this partial language, right? Childish is, you know, it's not even complete. I don't know that it's fully complete. And that's why when you shut up for a little while, you do start to feel better. You know, you go in where you do vipassana, ten day silent retreat or whatever, I think you start to feel better in even ten minutes of silence. You know, silence is golden, they say.

Vision Battlesword [00:51:08]:
Okay, so what if going all the way back to the beginning, what you said, hey, I think we're, you said to me, vision, I think we're speaking a slave's language here. I think. I think this is a, I think this is a dirty language. I think we've been given a programming code that's intentionally limited and looping back on itself in all of these different double speak and double meaning ways, causing our spells to collapse.

Mandarin Man [00:51:34]:
Right?

Vision Battlesword [00:51:35]:
And you said all that to me. And so what if that's right? And it feels like we're in some kind of a trap? It feels like we're in some kind of a prison? I would say this language is somehow creating resistance in our lives or obstacles, or it's slowing us down or cutting us off from possibilities. So what if that's true? What if at some point so long ago that we have actually forgotten, because we've actually overwritten our old programming so completely that it's not currently accessible for the vast majority of us? What if we've actually been given a new program, master program installed on our hardware?

Mandarin Man [00:52:23]:
I would love that.

Vision Battlesword [00:52:24]:
In our consciousness that has been running us for how many countless generations? And we're only just now. The eyeball is only just now starting to catch a glimpse of itself.

Mandarin Man [00:52:34]:
Right? Yeah. So where can we download it? I'm happy to install that new program.

Vision Battlesword [00:52:41]:
I think we might have to write it. Write it ourselves?

Mandarin Man [00:52:43]:
Yeah, I mean, you know, everyone wants to. Wants property, right? And that's called a mortgage. Do you know what that word means?

Vision Battlesword [00:52:51]:
It's got something to do with death.

Mandarin Man [00:52:53]:
That's right. Pledge. A death pledge.

Vision Battlesword [00:52:55]:
Death pledge that.

Mandarin Man [00:52:56]:
The bank that whoever. You know, it's a french word, of course, but. Yeah, the French. The. You know, so I think in order to get. I mean, that's a good question. Do you know, Dean, do you have to know exactly how lost you are before you try to start finding your way out? And I am still understanding the depth of which the thing is corrupt. And, you know, there's a lot of people.

Mandarin Man [00:53:22]:
You can't talk to this. You know, you can't. They think you're crazy. What? Ships, ocean seas. What the hell are you talking about? You know, and so. And, yeah, I'm. You know, I think we do it one word at a time. You know, I don't think we're going to go back to speaking Latin tomorrow or, you know, or another language that's pure, you know, but why do you.

Vision Battlesword [00:53:46]:
Do you have reason to believe Latin is more pure?

Mandarin Man [00:53:48]:
No, I mean, it's just, you know, history and mystery is a lot of fun, right? Because it's his and miss his is and misses. And so we have a miss story or this mystery that we don't really know where it completely. And, you know, linguists will say, oh, well, it came, you know, stemmed from this and that. And that could be true, but I think it was Charlemagne who said the first thing he would do when he conquers someone, you change your language, because now they can't communicate in an effective way to rebel. So you limit them. You put handcuffs on them through the most important thing that they have, which is their word. I mean, that's a pretty tragic story with the native people in this country, right? They all, I mean, some of them, of course, speak Cherokee and chickasaw and whatever, still. But by and large, we made them speak English.

Mandarin Man [00:54:39]:
You know, we took the children and put them in white schools, you know, or american schools, rather. And so, like, we know there's power, and that's a fun one, too. You can't have power without power. It's a collective power. It's a collective thing. And I think Malcolm X, I saw this in my notes. Malcolm X said, illness and wellness is the difference between I and we. Hmm.

Mandarin Man [00:55:02]:
Community. There's a, there's the unity in community. And so the thing is trying to help us, like, from your point earlier, like, is this just consciousness thrusting itself out through language? Appears to be, because everything we do that's artful and beautiful. Not everything, but a lot of things we do that are artful and beautiful. Come through language, come through word. Constitution was written in words, right? The Bible, the, you know, every poem, etcetera. And so that's a. Maybe our soul or spirit wants.

Mandarin Man [00:55:35]:
We like the dirty language because there's more of a challenge there. If there's no good or bad, it's all just earth school. Yeah, give me the 31 so I get to figure it out.

Vision Battlesword [00:55:47]:
Maybe also it's a really, really subtle, sophisticated language where kind of like what you're talking about with the tonal languages. Take the exact same pronunciation, but with a different inflection, and it becomes a completely different meaning, a completely different concept. Maybe the double meanings, the home phones and the same spelling, different concept, different context. Maybe all that stuff actually reflects, like, a supreme subtlety.

Mandarin Man [00:56:20]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:56:21]:
And it has a lot more to do with, like, you know, like a really, really fine sword. You know, it's like how you wield it. You could pick it up and chop wood with it. But it's got so much more capability in the hands of someone that's masterful at that art of using the language. I have a sadness about the devolution of our language. Like, even just in my own lifetime, you know, I'm only 45, and you don't have to go back too much further than that. Go back to the sixties, the fifties, the first half of the 20th century. We've got recordings, and even before then, we've got lots and lots of written word, but you can go listen to a speech by John F.

Vision Battlesword [00:57:10]:
Kennedy, go listen to any number of intellectuals, academics, artists, thinkers, philosophers, politicians, from. Just go back 70 years, 80 years. It's a completely different language they were speaking. Completely different and much more sophisticated. It's hard to even imagine people talking that way now. That level of intention, that level of construction, logic, oratory, these are things that we're losing a decade by now.

Mandarin Man [00:57:43]:
Oh, totally. And my first thought is that we went from a reading society to a viewing society with the invention of the television. So you're not using your brain as sharply. And then secondly, with this idea that consciousness is trying to push itself out, which all has a unique identity. I think that's one of the most beautiful things of God, is like, it can replicate itself, but every time it's new and different for infinity. Right? And so this new consciousness, this collective consciousness, wants its own identity, so it wants its own language in a way. So there's a lot of slang and a lot of slang. Slang.

Vision Battlesword [00:58:24]:
Es. Slang.

Mandarin Man [00:58:26]:
Esslang slang. Slang is lang a word.

Vision Battlesword [00:58:32]:
Well, it's like the first part of the language, but then you put an s. Funny. Remember the. The s. Yeah. The thing you just said about technology, I think is really important. I think it's really important for a few different reasons. You're talking about how Charlemagne maybe said that.

Vision Battlesword [00:58:50]:
Certainly pick any conqueror and they would have said this.

Mandarin Man [00:58:55]:
The first thing you do is.

Vision Battlesword [00:58:56]:
First thing you do is wreck their language. That's what you got to do, make sure they can't communicate. Boy, does that make me think about censorship on the Internet right now. You want to talk about a captured population and how language is.

Mandarin Man [00:59:08]:
Not only are we going to make you speak a dirty language, we're not even going to let you use it entirely.

Vision Battlesword [00:59:14]:
Yeah. So there's that piece of the technology, and then there's the piece you talked about where it's probably making us dumber just simply because by augmenting our mental capacity and extending it into these technological realms, it's just like anything. Like, imagine your physical body. What we're doing with technology, with screens and phones and computers and the Internet and all this stuff, is to our mental body, our mental fitness, as if we were all climbing into a metal robot suit every day and not using our physical muscles to actually be on.

Mandarin Man [00:59:55]:
I love that analogy. Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:59:56]:
But just pushing buttons on a control.

Mandarin Man [00:59:58]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:59:59]:
And having them move around for us. What would happen to our bodies? They'd atrophy you know, we'd become weaker and more frail and more brittle. Same thing. And so that brings me all the way back to Socrates, my favorite philosopher, I'd have to say. And Socrates and Plato. You do know that Plato was a pupil of Socrates and. And wrote everything that Socrates said. And Socrates and Plato had a disagreement, because this was a point in history where the written word.

Vision Battlesword [01:00:37]:
Certainly writing was a well established technology, but it certainly wasn't a wildly popular one. It was sort of a specialty thing. Not everything was written down, and many things were still conducted through oral tradition, and it was a little bit of a novelty. And Plato was really into writing. He really wanted to write all of these big ideas down and record them for history. And Socrates was against it because he didn't want anything to be. He said, we shouldn't be writing any of this down because we're making ourselves lazy.

Mandarin Man [01:01:15]:
Mmm.

Vision Battlesword [01:01:16]:
You know, if we do this generation after generation, then people are going to stop being able to use their memory, people are going to be able to, are going to stop being able to remember these things that we have to memorize now in order to become a learned and educated and intellectual person. And there's something really important about having to actually hold all of this information within your human consciousness from a perspective of making the connections and integrating the information and being able to then expand on the body of human knowledge. So funny to think of that, this argument going back 3500 years about technology and how it's going to make us stupid.

Mandarin Man [01:02:06]:
The average American, anyhow, I can only speak for this country. Yeah. Seems to be at a deficit with just their, myself included, with their daily use of language and how, you know, the amount of words they have in their toolbox, their vocabulary. And just to play devil's advocate, why, I know he doesn't need it. He doesn't need it. Doing just fine. Like, I would like to think. I agree that if we had to remember everything, we didn't write things down.

Mandarin Man [01:02:37]:
Naturally there would be a hierarchical, like, you wouldn't just remember things that aren't important or that are trivial, right? You would, you would really cherish that brain space. But there's an argument to say, hey, if I can write this down, I don't have to use this computing power for that, and I can free it up potentially for more abstract thought, you know. Now, is that good or bad? I think that's. It depends on.

Vision Battlesword [01:03:00]:
I think that obviously both.

Mandarin Man [01:03:01]:
Yeah. I think it goes into, while you're using your left brain or your right brain, you know, we have two. Two brains here we actually use. And, you know, another example is like a calculator. Like, no one knows how to do long division anymore. Why would you. You just punch it in the phone.

Vision Battlesword [01:03:16]:
You know, until there are no phones.

Mandarin Man [01:03:19]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:03:22]:
Until the power goes out.

Mandarin Man [01:03:24]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:03:25]:
And then it's like, oh, man, I wish I knew how to do something. I wish I knew how to do some trigonometry right now.

Mandarin Man [01:03:32]:
How many candles is five candles? If I take away?

Vision Battlesword [01:03:36]:
Yeah, it's obviously both. Sure. I completely agree with you. I mean, I think we do have a finite mental capacity. There's so much that you can simultaneously hold in your own internal information space. However, I believe that that capacity is far greater, thousands of times greater than whatever we think it is today, because we don't actually stretch ourselves.

Mandarin Man [01:04:08]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:04:08]:
It's like we've been walking around in the robot suit since birth. We don't even know what the capabilities of our bodies are, mentally speaking. But for sure, as we every time we augment our human power, whether it's mental or physical, energetic or in any other way, through technology, whether it's harnessing animal power to plow our fields, whether it's using the written word to extend our memory into infinite capacity, whether it's everything that we've talked about all the way up to computers and the Internet today, of course, there's new achievements that we unlock that now we can manifest, at least in terms of transformation of this material world in vastly, you know, ways that would be considered magical to people, even just 100, let alone a thousand years ago. That all is true. And it is simultaneously true that neither you nor I, nor maybe anyone living today could sit at the knees of Socrates.

Mandarin Man [01:05:11]:
Sure. Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:05:12]:
From a standpoint of intellectual power or prowess. And I think that there is a lot more. I think that there is a lot more of a different kind of intelligence that we used to have.

Mandarin Man [01:05:25]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:05:26]:
That we've outsourced the technology now.

Mandarin Man [01:05:27]:
Well, what the error in my thinking is that it seems, like, linear. It's like one for one. It's like, oh, if I don't have to memorize this, then I have this other space for whatever. But I think what you're arguing is that Socrates. Socrates and those men and women back then, like, no, no, no. The having to remember it makes it exponential, because you have this new way of stacking more information, the same amount of space that. Yeah. You're not using that muscle.

Mandarin Man [01:06:01]:
And so you can never get gains, mental gains, as you would if you actually never wrote anything down. And you know, and then I guess the other way. I think that. I think an opportunity for us is, yeah, if we think the phones and television is ruining our minds, then, yeah, get off it. And, you know, I think, I mean, look, people who read, there's a direct correlation with, and obviously with intelligence and how much you read. And so we still know that. But it seems that because of the last 80 years of popular culture, the majority of people, they're lacking in their acumen of language. It's unfortunate.

Vision Battlesword [01:06:46]:
Yeah. What you're saying. I just want to bring it back around to Socrates and kind of tie a bow on this concept of, because this is something that I have experienced in my own life or that I have come to appreciate in my own life. And for me, I started to realize it in the computer field. And I think part of what Socrates is talking about. Yes, I think there is a natural value to being able to remember things and to having recall of a large database of information just on tap in your own mind and not having to go to an external source. But there's something much more important than that, and that has to do with the trade off between generalization and specialization.

Mandarin Man [01:07:28]:
Yes, yes.

Vision Battlesword [01:07:29]:
You see where I'm going.

Mandarin Man [01:07:30]:
I would love to talk about this.

Vision Battlesword [01:07:31]:
Yeah. So what I noticed in the computer field is that sometimes there are, at least in the world that I worked in, there are some people who are more generalists who know a lot of different subject areas and a lot of different domains. You know, let's say I know a little bit of programming, and I know a little bit about networking, and I know a little bit about storage and compute and these, all of these different areas. And I may not go super deep in any or all of these, but I know a lot of different things. And then there's other folks who are more specialists, and they go real, super deep in one subject area. They have much less of an awareness in a knowledge base in any, any different area outside their field. And you could see this in any field. It's not just computers.

Vision Battlesword [01:08:20]:
And what I noticed in my career in managing teams is that there can be a phenomenon where a team of individual deep specialists can fail to come up with a solution to something because they together do not create even the sum, let alone more than the sum of their individual parts. There's no integration. So it's almost. It's the blind man and the elephant, right?

Mandarin Man [01:08:52]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:08:53]:
Scenario, it's like, well, I got a. I got a snake here. Well, I've got a tree, right? I don't know I've got, you know, I've got a rope. Yeah, yeah, whatever.

Mandarin Man [01:09:01]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:09:02]:
And nobody can figure it out, but you bring in one generalist that knows a little bit about all the different areas. And they say, oh, yeah, you, you've got a bottleneck in the network queue between your storage stack and your computer, right? So do you know that's what you got.

Mandarin Man [01:09:18]:
Do you know those terms with wicked and kind games?

Vision Battlesword [01:09:22]:
Tell me more.

Mandarin Man [01:09:23]:
Okay, so I'm just reading, just finished this book called Range by David Epstein, and it's about exactly this and how people who have more range, they are better at wicked games, games that have all kinds of variability versus a kind game. And he gives it, he opens a chapter one with the example of Tiger woods versus Roger Federer. And Tiger woods only played golf, and he was a master at golf, but that is a kind game, right? Meaning that the goal is always the same, to hit this ball into this cup. There's different, you know, there's only three different types of courses. A three par, a par three, four, five. Right? I mean, there's wind, but in sand traps and that kind of stuff. But by and large, there's no opponent you're playing against. Right.

Mandarin Man [01:10:14]:
And so it's a very kind game versus tennis, which is less kind because now you have an opponent and everything they can come up with. And so we've, the idea of specialization came along because we thought the world was a kind world, but it's not. You know, it's a wicked game in that there's all kinds of things that can happen at any moment to knock you off course and whatever you're trying in whatever endeavor you're in.

Vision Battlesword [01:10:42]:
Yeah. Yeah. There's a fragility to it.

Mandarin Man [01:10:46]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:10:48]:
Or an, and, or an anti resilience to it. Yeah. But, but of course, specialization also has its accelerators and its positives. You know, it's an amplifier in certain ways, but it's not the end all, be all. And I think that's where we get ourselves. That's where we really fall into the ultimate trap in terms of this idea of like a one way, one direction of progress, a one direction of development. It's always heading toward more technology, more specialization, more division of labor. But coming back to the computer team analogy, what I noticed, which is, I think also part of what Socrates was noticing or intuting, is that there is sometimes no substitute from an integration perspective for a human mind.

Vision Battlesword [01:11:42]:
Meaning you can have five different people who each have the deepest level of mastery in these five different subjects, in these five different domains, but they're also five different brains, and they are never going to be able to put their heads together into a configuration where they can share information and make the kind of connections between different percept perspectives or awarenesses or anything that can happen inside the human brain that can hold all five of those subjects simultaneously, even if it is to a much shallower level of depth. It's the integration.

Mandarin Man [01:12:25]:
Right, right.

Vision Battlesword [01:12:26]:
It's the integration of awareness.

Mandarin Man [01:12:27]:
Yeah, it's confusing. There's this idea of chain of command, but there's also a chain of communication and chain of command. They shouldn't be equal. Like, if you want. If your chain of communication matches your chain of command, you're going to have holes. You're gonna make errors because people won't can, you know, different teams won't communicate with other teams that they should because they're, you know, that's their superior or they're not in that. Generally, those two arenas don't communicate to each other. And so you could visualize it from like a top down hierarchical kind of pyramid versus, like circles where you have like the leader or director general, whatever in the middle, and then all of these other teams, to use your computer coding analogy surrounding them.

Mandarin Man [01:13:22]:
And so that all that information can cross pollinate and. Yeah, he said those. Those. The example he used was mountain climbing. They did a study with mountain climbers and I think, like 5000 different. What do you call it? Like expeditions. Right? And the La and I, the languages that had hierarchical, because these teams were from all over the world. Right.

Mandarin Man [01:13:43]:
And so the languages that were hierarchical in nature. This is great because we're getting back to language. They did have more successful summits, but they also had more casualties versus languages that were more cooperative. And that's actually a reason, I guess I should say something good about the english language. It is the predominant language, it seems. I mean, not that it's most spoken, but a good example of this is like in the FAA, all the communications that pilots have with the tower are all in English. Every country in the world.

Vision Battlesword [01:14:19]:
Well, here's. Yes, here's what's really funny about that. You could say that English is the lingua franca of the world.

Mandarin Man [01:14:28]:
That's a good one. That's right.

Vision Battlesword [01:14:32]:
Because that used to be French.

Mandarin Man [01:14:33]:
Right. That's where that turned.

Vision Battlesword [01:14:34]:
Yeah, it used to be French.

Mandarin Man [01:14:35]:
Yeah. Wow.

Vision Battlesword [01:14:36]:
That was considered to be the. Well, the language of international. The international language or the language of diplomacy. Now it's English. Tells you who's running the show.

Mandarin Man [01:14:46]:
That's right.

Vision Battlesword [01:14:49]:
England.

Mandarin Man [01:14:49]:
England. Yeah. To be the crown.

Vision Battlesword [01:14:52]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [01:14:53]:
And what that came about, and I think the fifties or sixties, I don't remember, but there was a crash. There was one, I think it was indonesian air, maybe, that had more crashes than anyone, any other airline. And when they started listening to the dialogue of the tapes between the pilot and the co pilot, because the language was structured, it was difficult for a younger person to address an elder. There weren't avenues for, because it was viewed as dissent or disrespectful. And so a copilot wouldn't communicate, or had an inability to communicate to a pilot about an issue because of the way the language was structured. Now, you could argue, and once they realized that, they say, okay, well, everyone's going to speak English. It doesn't have this kind of keep saying hierarchy, but, you know, this respect built into the code, if you want to call it that, that some of these other older languages did, which I actually think is quite beautiful, that in some of the tonal eastern languages, they have this elder disrespect built in. I think, by and large, the narrative is that English is an agglomeration or amalgamation of a bunch of different languages that through time have kind of persisted for whatever reason.

Mandarin Man [01:16:07]:
Is that right?

Vision Battlesword [01:16:09]:
It seems to me that English is a language that was spoken in northern Europe and by people who crossed the English Channel and then settled the British Isles, who were then later subsequently conquered over and over and over again by people who spoke different languages. And that is how the language became a slave language and got corrupted with all kinds of weird grammar and double meanings. That's my guess. That's my guess.

Mandarin Man [01:16:48]:
Yeah, that makes sense to me. So, yeah, I don't really know where I fall in that debate, but we have to use it, you know?

Vision Battlesword [01:16:57]:
So do we.

Mandarin Man [01:16:58]:
I mean, I think you got to use something. I'd hate. I would hate to not use it.

Vision Battlesword [01:17:03]:
There's lots of languages in the world.

Mandarin Man [01:17:05]:
That's true.

Vision Battlesword [01:17:06]:
We could all learn Esperanto.

Mandarin Man [01:17:07]:
Which one?

Vision Battlesword [01:17:08]:
Esperanto.

Mandarin Man [01:17:09]:
What's that?

Vision Battlesword [01:17:10]:
Esperanto is a language that was created intentionally in the early 20th century, which was meant to be the global language.

Mandarin Man [01:17:20]:
Oh, yeah. I hadn't heard of this.

Vision Battlesword [01:17:22]:
So this is all kind of part of. I think I'm getting the history, or at least the time. Time frame correct. Between world war one and world War two, there was this big movement, the League of Nations was created, and there was this big movement to never again. We'll never have a war like this again. This is the war to end all wars. We'll create a world council of all of the nation's governments, and we'll institute peace through negotiation, communication, settling our differences politically and so forth. And as kind of part of that overall, like utopian global peace movement, there was an idea that, okay, if we could all just talk to each other, that would help.

Mandarin Man [01:18:08]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:18:09]:
And so what if we actually put together a team of the world's greatest linguists, language experts, to sit down and devise a new language from scratch? So it's not something that's a slave language. It's not something that's been corrupted over time. It didn't just evolve organically with all the weird quirks and mutations of grammar and inconsistencies and irregularities. We're going to make it perfect. It's going to be a perfect language from start. And so they did. They made a language that sort of blends together many of the different language kind of types from around the world. But that creates a very regular, very simple.

Vision Battlesword [01:18:56]:
It was designed to be the easiest, the quickest possible language to learn and to be able to get communicating quickly. So the idea would be everyone would have their national language or their cultural language, but then you'd always learn this Esperanto as your second language, so that anywhere you go in the world, you can talk to the people.

Mandarin Man [01:19:18]:
Do you think in another timeline, we're having this conversation in Esperanto?

Vision Battlesword [01:19:22]:
I mean, I think we're having this conversation in Esperanto right now.

Mandarin Man [01:19:26]:
So why did it. Was this also when the metric system was kind of created?

Vision Battlesword [01:19:32]:
No, that is a whole different wild and crazy story that goes back to the French Revolution.

Mandarin Man [01:19:38]:
Oh, okay.

Vision Battlesword [01:19:39]:
And I would love to have that conversation with you sometime.

Mandarin Man [01:19:42]:
Let's do it.

Vision Battlesword [01:19:43]:
Yeah. We could have a conversation that's called revolutions. Oh, that would be a lot of fun.

Mandarin Man [01:19:49]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [01:19:49]:
But the French Revolution is a wild, wild story.

Mandarin Man [01:19:54]:
You know, I like that you touch on that word, because that's the way I feel as I fight this fight.

Vision Battlesword [01:20:01]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [01:20:02]:
It's in that spirit, like, hey, we've, we're breaking out of this.

Vision Battlesword [01:20:08]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [01:20:09]:
Because the war, the great war of our people of the age, is, what is it the war? Is the technology war? Is it the elite? And is it that simple, as it's kind of always been?

Vision Battlesword [01:20:23]:
Is it a spiritual war?

Mandarin Man [01:20:25]:
Spiritual war. Definitely think that's going on. It's always going on. You know, that's the cost of rent down here. Spiritual war. Yeah. And so I kind of have these. It's a revolution and revelation.

Mandarin Man [01:20:39]:
Very similar vibrations. I love that for good reason, I think. And so I hope that if it's not Esperanto, like, I think my wish is that if I could speak to myself in a purer, more authentic, more generative, and nicer way, I would have a better earth experience and then help everyone else around me just by that, by function of that. But it feels rebellious, in a way, to even question it kind of feels rebellious.

Vision Battlesword [01:21:13]:
You're right.

Mandarin Man [01:21:13]:
And I think that's why it kind of lights me up.

Vision Battlesword [01:21:15]:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think, first of all, I do think there are other languages that are available also. You talked about how there's a correlation between intelligence and, you know, how much you read or how much a person reads. And seems to me there's probably does something good for your mind, your mental muscles, to have multiple languages at your master. Right?

Mandarin Man [01:21:42]:
Sure. And my Spanish is pretty poor, but it's sufficient, you know? And I do really, like, I remember the first time when I was living in Guatemala, you know, I stayed down there for about four years, and I had this house, and I had this guy over, and I was telling him, yeah, you know, necessitamos cambia las chapas y des pues, necessitamos pantura la cocina. And I just, like, realized, like, man, I've been speaking Spanish for, like, 20 minutes, like, and it was like, a really beautiful kind of moment, because I didn't think, you know, I was. I had taken some formal lessons, but I did, like, two or, you know, about three weeks and then kind of quit. And I was living in a town where there were tons of ex expats. And so you spoke, by and large, you spoke English most of the day. And I think something that was interesting about that, that was a piece of advice that was given to me when I first moved down there. He's like, when you meet someone by my friend TJ, when you meet someone new, and do you both speak Spanish and English, that first conversation is very important, because every conversation subsequent to that will be in that same language.

Mandarin Man [01:22:46]:
And, of course, you generally would suss out. You have a few sentences. I mean, of course, if they're guatemalan, there's generally their Spanish is going to be better. And if you're an expat, your native language is going to be better, which most people, even if they weren't Americans or British or Australians, spoke English, you know, the French and the Dutch, et cetera, that were down there. And so you would kind of suss out which was better. And it was a kind of a courtesy that you would switch to that unless the person said, no, no, no. I'm really trying to learn. I want to speak Spanish.

Mandarin Man [01:23:16]:
And you say, okay, okay. But at a point, it's funny how, you know, back to water, two people speaking a language, that one is not very adept at that water doesn't flow, that language doesn't flow, and there's, like. There's a desire to have that flow more easily. And so, hey, let's switch to this other language.

Vision Battlesword [01:23:36]:
So there's. There's seems to me there's a value, potentially, in having more than one programming language.

Mandarin Man [01:23:43]:
Yes.

Vision Battlesword [01:23:43]:
At your disposal, then it seems to me that we can do. We can continue to do exactly what it is that we're doing, which is clean up this dirty, dirty language. Yeah, clean it up.

Mandarin Man [01:23:55]:
Funny. Disposal. You might need a disposal to clean it up.

Vision Battlesword [01:23:57]:
Nothing wrong with it. Maybe it's a perfectly good language. It's just filthy. Okay, we can fix that.

Mandarin Man [01:24:02]:
Yes. And I don't think it's one that there's a. How do I say this? Just so better? It doesn't lean itself or lend itself to creativity in that. I think it's rare that we make up new words, and I think that is more common in a Spanish or German. Hmm.

Vision Battlesword [01:24:25]:
You think new words are being created more frequently in other languages?

Mandarin Man [01:24:28]:
Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. You know, German, I think, is a good example, and we do it in English, where there's two things that you smash them together.

Vision Battlesword [01:24:36]:
Yeah.

Mandarin Man [01:24:37]:
Like the house of the drinks is like the drink house.

Vision Battlesword [01:24:40]:
You know, on the other hand, we have probably a thousand different words for that place. Bar, pub, tower.

Mandarin Man [01:24:47]:
Sure. Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:24:48]:
On and on and on.

Mandarin Man [01:24:49]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:24:49]:
It's like. It's like. It's like our version of snow.

Mandarin Man [01:24:53]:
Right. We haven't talked about that.

Vision Battlesword [01:24:57]:
How many words do we have for the place where you get the drinks?

Mandarin Man [01:24:59]:
Yeah, a lot.

Vision Battlesword [01:25:00]:
Well, I think I've heard or read somewhere that English has the largest vocabulary of any language. That's one of the things that makes it so difficult to learn.

Mandarin Man [01:25:10]:
Right.

Vision Battlesword [01:25:11]:
In particular.

Mandarin Man [01:25:12]:
Right, well, yeah. And it doesn't make sense. I mean, that's another reason it makes it difficult to learn, because it's like.

Vision Battlesword [01:25:17]:
It's chaotic.

Mandarin Man [01:25:17]:
Yeah, it's chaotic. I do want to look at my notes here, just so you know, to get some of these things that are maybe chaotic while you're doing that.

Vision Battlesword [01:25:25]:
I just had one. The third point I wanted to make is that there's a book called Stranger in a strange Land by Robert Heinlein, which has a big theme about language. In it, there's an idea of a martian language, like the intelligent beings, the inhabitants of the planet Mars. And it turns out, in the framing of this story that if you learn the martian language, then you can think like a martian. And just in being able to rewrite your thought processes around their conception and their structure of reality, human beings then suddenly gain. Yes, powers, essentially. Powers to control, to manifest.

Mandarin Man [01:26:13]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:26:13]:
Create, you know, create, destroy, move, matter. Wow. Teleportation, physical mastery, you know, of your own biological processes, all this different stuff, just by mastering a different language, which inherently reprograms or rewrites your mental equipment in that way. So I think that's also available.

Mandarin Man [01:26:34]:
Yeah, that resonates, you know, that's. That's a fun kind of. Something else that came up with me in Ayahuasca ceremony was a song that I don't want. I don't know it, and I don't know. I think it's Quechua, like a language I don't obviously. Obviously don't speak. And it was like, I don't want to know the meaning. I don't want to know what this means, because it's so perfect.

Mandarin Man [01:26:56]:
Like, just the sounds that I'm hearing, like, it deludes it deludes it if you know the meaning, because you have all the weight of all of those words attached to it, and you can't just enjoy, you can't allow it to call you to the present moment as easily because of the. Yes. Lich or knowledge of those words, right? Because you get lost in those meanings versus listening to a song. Like, I have a friend, he loves listening to french rap, you know, whatever, you know? And he's like, I just love it. And I'm like, why? He's like, I don't know. I just love it. And I think there's something really juicy in that. Like, that you can kind of.

Mandarin Man [01:27:33]:
Even though you don't speak that language and you don't know the meanings of that word, the vibrations are still getting through. It's like, because there are people in the world perceived, you know, french people that know the word, that know the meanings of those words. You can tell you exactly what that song's about, but you don't. But you can still kind of perceive it through, like, an opaque kind of window somehow. Like, a happy song sounds happy, a sad song sounds sad, you know? So there's something like listening to music and languages I don't speak and trying to interpret. Like, what is this? How does this feel?

Vision Battlesword [01:28:06]:
Just reading the feeling tone the energy of it, just. Just receiving the vibrations.

Mandarin Man [01:28:12]:
Right.

Vision Battlesword [01:28:12]:
And making whatever meaning that those impressions are having on you. It's. It's. It's a different kind of presence.

Mandarin Man [01:28:20]:
It's much more enticing listening to a song in a language you don't understand, then looking at text in a language you can't read. That's true. That has. Because the vibrations are behind it. That's interesting. I mean, that seems obvious.

Vision Battlesword [01:28:39]:
But there are vibrations, though. There are light vibrations that are hitting the back of your retina. It's a different vibration. And the wind just picked up and started blowing.

Mandarin Man [01:28:51]:
Spirit's here.

Vision Battlesword [01:28:53]:
Spirit's like, here's the vibration. Mandarin, man. What is the last word?

Mandarin Man [01:29:02]:
The last word. Library is fun. It's where they lie and they bury things.

Vision Battlesword [01:29:10]:
Well, I see a continuation of this conversation.

Mandarin Man [01:29:16]:
I'm happy.

Vision Battlesword [01:29:17]:
I feel like. I think you're right. We are just getting started.

Mandarin Man [01:29:19]:
That was.

Vision Battlesword [01:29:20]:
Let's consider that to be the pre game. That's just the warm up.

Mandarin Man [01:29:24]:
The pre face.

Vision Battlesword [01:29:25]:
The pre face, yes. Or the frontispiece. That's the last word I decided.

Mandarin Man [01:29:31]:
Frontispiece. Okay. Love you, brother.

Vision Battlesword [01:29:33]:
Love you too, man. Thanks for the conversation, as always.