Vision Battlesword [00:00:00]:
Welcome to Luminary Landing. Tiffany. Welcome back from all of your travels and adventures. It's good to have an opportunity to spend some time with you today.

Tiffany Fede [00:00:08]:
It's so good to be here. Thank you for having me here with you and for being such a special part of my life. I'm, yeah, really grateful for this moment.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:18]:
Aw. That means a lot to me. How are you feeling right now?

Tiffany Fede [00:00:21]:
Well, I'm experiencing painful symptoms in my body, but my heart and my spirit are filled with joy. That's what I would say. Yeah. How about you?

Vision Battlesword [00:00:35]:
I feel excited. I feel a weird mixture of really energized and a little tired at the same time. But all in all, my spirits are very high, very hopeful, and I'm excited for this conversation.

Tiffany Fede [00:00:49]:
That's delightful. Yeah. Good place to be.

Vision Battlesword [00:00:54]:
Who are you, Tiffany Fede?

Tiffany Fede [00:00:56]:
Oh, goodness. So the thing that, like, stands out, that's really strong is I'm a widow. I lost my husband in 2020, and I'm a single mother. And I have been on this awakening, expansive connection healing journey. And why that's important is because I have been through experiences of heaviness, of trauma, and really been able to navigate through that in a, I think, a powerful way. And my message that I've received is that through living in this. Living these experiences, like, we're all on the hero's journey, right? And I can see it. You know, when you can see it and you're aware of it, it's like, oh, okay, this is where I'm at right now.

Tiffany Fede [00:01:45]:
Okay. And I really love just having. I'm so fidgety. Vision told me ahead of time. The camera picks up everything, so I'm just doing all the things just, like, can't stop moving.

Vision Battlesword [00:01:57]:
Thankfully, we're not on camera. We're just on audio.

Tiffany Fede [00:02:01]:
Yeah. Yeah. So I'm a witch. I'm a shamanistic healer, medicine woman. I am a practitioner of touch, of energy. I like to get in and stalk people's demons out, and, like, I am a shadow walker. Like, let's go shine the light. Find the light.

Tiffany Fede [00:02:21]:
I got you. You're safe with me. I can be mother. I can be, like, essentially activating. And we are all these archetypes, and for me, it's like the divine feminine within me and really embodying these ancient techniques that have just kind of come online. Psychedelics. So, you know, like, I just. I just, like, you know, the weirder, the more expressive I allowed myself to become, the, you know, the more, like, remarkable my life has become and miraculous and while still, you know, navigating the waves that come.

Tiffany Fede [00:03:07]:
But I. Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:03:08]:
Hmm.

Tiffany Fede [00:03:09]:
That's me.

Vision Battlesword [00:03:10]:
That's pretty rad. All I got is I'm Vision Battlesword, the founder of Sacred Light, creator of Intentional Autonomous Relating, and the host of Sacred Conversations. Yeah, but that feels like enough for right now for me.

Tiffany Fede [00:03:25]:
Oh, that's what you wanted. My bio. Got it.

Vision Battlesword [00:03:29]:
I wanted exactly what you gave me. Yeah, I wanted exactly. That's perfect. So, I feel that it is long overdue that we talk about love, and that's why I'm so happy that we're having this conversation today, because that's exactly what you came here to talk about. I want to start with. Normally, I would start with a question, of course, like, what is love? And we will get there, but before we do that, I would like to know, why are you known as the love elixir?

Tiffany Fede [00:04:03]:
It's so funny, I don't even recall exactly how that came to be. It may have had to do with sacred light. I think it came through during one of those. But the essence is, I've had the intention to embody love more deeply, and I have this. It's true for me that God is love, and love is God, and that God is everything. And if we look through the lens of our heart at experiences, our life just becomes so much easier. Are we struggling with trust? Well, what would love do? Are we struggling with fear? Well, what would love do? And, like, it's not always easy. I have had a couple weeks where I'm just, like, keep being in my head because I'm not in my heart.

Tiffany Fede [00:04:44]:
When I'm in my heart, the world unfolds and blossoms in such a great way. And I think through the loss of my husband and through traveling and sitting with the medicine, I just felt such a beautiful wholeness with myself and with, like, with connecting to love within me, that it just became clear that that's the message that I wish to carry and help people with, because I think that's really the answer to everything.

Vision Battlesword [00:05:16]:
What is the message?

Tiffany Fede [00:05:18]:
The message of awakening your heart to more love and of seeing through the eyes of love. And that takes away resentment, because that's not love. God feels good, you know? Like, it's joyful. It's delightful. It's also all these other things. Right. But, like, really, in the essence of it, when we're in relating with someone and all of this, all of this, the pattern and expression of that we've lived up until now of. Our reactions are based on fear.

Tiffany Fede [00:05:48]:
Our reactions are based on lack of safety. Our reactions are based on my abandonment issues and da da da da da. And so, you know, it's a journey of self reflection and self awareness to come to the state of being more open to love and what that means and how to be loving and how to see love in all things.

Vision Battlesword [00:06:11]:
Is it fair to summarize your message as, "What Would Love Do?"

Tiffany Fede [00:06:16]:
You know, I used to have that articulation, what would love do? What would love do? And honestly, no. Because one of the things that really stands out to me is when Ram Dass is, I am loving awareness. And so, honestly, I asked to see through the eyes of God or see through the eyes of love. And how would love, like, how can I express through love? And sometimes I have to phone a friend. You know, we all do. But just, like, who can help me see this thing and know this thing through the eyes of love? But how can I embody love more deeply? How can I be a reflection and radiate love and to myself as well, you know? Because when we, you know, harbor, when we make mistakes, that we harbor that guilt toward ourself that's, you know, lower, lowering us on the higher the frequency experience. And, like, compassion and gratitude, I feel like gratitude is even higher than love. Right? But, like, on that.

Tiffany Fede [00:07:13]:
On that scale of the numbers, the frequency, like, when you look at water and you play love, the word love and water, and it makes a pretty pattern. Right? I feel like gratitude might even be higher than that.

Vision Battlesword [00:07:26]:
It's interesting you suggest that, because in some of the recent conversations that I've been having, we've been getting into this idea of a hierarchy, or which transcends and includes the other. And acceptance and gratitude have come in, but not love. Yeah. And so that's interesting. It's an interesting idea to think of one even being potentially superior to another. Or maybe, I guess when we say higher frequency, we could think of that in more neutral terms, too. Not in terms of superiority, hierarchy, but just, like, from a scientific perspective, like, violet happens to be a higher frequency than red. But you've kind of forced me into this question.

Vision Battlesword [00:08:12]:
I think, what is love?

Tiffany Fede [00:08:15]:
Great. I think God is love.

Vision Battlesword [00:08:18]:
And what is God?

Tiffany Fede [00:08:19]:
What is God? It's everything. It's the reflection. I keep looking at your plant. There's a reason I keep looking at your plant. Because, like, it's the conscious spirit within that thing, and it's. It's how I look at it and perceive it. And it can just be a beautiful plant. But then when I get closer to it, and I actually communicate with it.

Tiffany Fede [00:08:40]:
It becomes this honest, like, loving communication. And then I'm interacting with the spirit of this thing. And then. So love for me is like communion with your living experience. I don't, you know, love is. Love is acceptance, is understanding. I mean, it's just, it feels like to me, the. The greatest form of truth.

Tiffany Fede [00:09:07]:
And again, like, that is God. And so what is God? God is all. God is, like, the creator of. It's all we all are in. It's so crazy, you know, when you think about it, when you can, like, just, like, melt into the, you know, the infinite abyss and, like, lay down and, you know, in breath, work and just, like, feel melted into everything. And that's love and that's God, and that's everything. But then we, like, come back into our, like, fractal that we come back into our form, right? We're constantly, like, going into form and formless. Like, when we sleep, we go into that state of the, of the dream realm and the unknown.

Tiffany Fede [00:09:46]:
But then we, like, get to come back into this physical form where I think we get to experience all of the emotions and all of the things, but I think overarching, wrapped around all of it. The answer to all the questions is love and God. You know, you could say it's the, you know, a mother and her baby. You know, you could say it's a man seeing his wife struggling and taking her hand. You know, you could say it's a. Sometimes it's setting a boundary for yourself. Sometimes it's, you know, slowing down and listening to your body and it. But it could also be the breeze, like it does.

Tiffany Fede [00:10:31]:
It just feels like it's everything to me. And when we step into it and drop into love, it makes us approach experiences in life with greater ease and understanding of others. If I'm living in a state of fear or discomfort or, you know, fear of abandonment, that I'm not going to be my fullest, authentic self with you, which isn't as trusting that you're gonna have my safety. And so there's no way to really have that, that true love experience, because I'm not acting from a state of love like, I really am not acting from a state of fear. It feels like if you're not, if you're acting, you know, from, from a state of fear, then you're. Then the energy that you're outputting is an energy of fear toward this experience. Let's say I'm dating somebody new, and I see him out at an event or something, and if I'm in a state of love and I have the expectation that I belong and I just love everything and love myself, and I just feel good in my body and feel. And it's not just confidence.

Tiffany Fede [00:11:39]:
I just feel. I just feel love, then I'm going to walk up to him, be like, hey, and not be whatever. But if I'm fearful because I'm afraid of not belonging or afraid of being judged or afraid that he doesn't wanna see me or ba ba ba ba, like, then I'm not. Then I don't do the thing, and I don't make the approach, and that's making a choice, and that's casting the direction of your life toward more of, like, a path of fear. And we always have these experiences and opportunities to continue to direct that path. And so when I say, like, when we think of what would love do, to be able to drop in and, like, let go of the fear, like, feel, like, the feeling, like, you know, of what that is and think of what would love do looking at you through the eyes of love, like, how can I see you? Like, if you were to say something that. And I get triggered and I get offended to just sit with that, and it's really about allowing yourself to pause and allowing us to, like, kind of create a new experience. And a lot of what I.

Tiffany Fede [00:12:44]:
A lot of the communication stuff that I learned has been from Iarae nonviolent communication, and it's allowed me to learn to love myself more, plus a bunch of other books. Letting go, the mastery of love, it's just, like, really what it all comes down to.

Vision Battlesword [00:13:00]:
How about a brief pause? And also, I can see that this is gonna be the first sacred conversation where I am gonna need a whiteboard. I have been incorporating tools sometimes into my sacred conversations now, like the dictionary. But, yeah, today I can see that I'm gonna need a whiteboard.

Tiffany Fede [00:13:25]:
Wow.

Vision Battlesword [00:13:25]:
Cause this one's going deep.

Tiffany Fede [00:13:27]:
Yep.

Vision Battlesword [00:13:27]:
So I'm writing on my whiteboard love versus fear. I'm writing love versus belonging. I'm writing love versus acceptance. I'm writing love versus separateness, because you are throwing a lot of cards down the table here, girl. And I want to get into all of it.

Tiffany Fede [00:13:50]:
Gonna, like, rein me in a little bit. Go off on tangents?

Vision Battlesword [00:13:53]:
No, we're getting somewhere.

Tiffany Fede [00:13:55]:
Cool.

Vision Battlesword [00:13:56]:
I'm glad you brought up iar, because I wanted to bring that up also from the perspective of when I was developing intentional, autonomous relating, which is, of course, all about relationships and defining them and figuring out how they work and how we can, you know, have better ones with each other and stuff. I, of course, had to figure out love. I had to at least take a stab at defining it. Yeah, right. And that was one of the most interesting aspects of the whole development process of the framework for me was, you know, it's like, so I break relationships down, as, you know, I break relationships down into ten major channels that, as I call them, which are connection, affection, intimacy, love, sex, partnership, friendship, spirituality, and mentoring and family. So I break them down. So love, to me, is a channel in, you know, a framework of a relationship that we can have, you know, equivalent to something like intimacy or friendship, for example. But when I got to that part of, like, well, what exactly is love? I realized, like, oh, well, I'm taking on one of the major philosophical problems of humanity, right? It's like, okay, well, this is going to be tricky.

Vision Battlesword [00:15:12]:
But what I noticed in sort of taking that stab at it myself, with some help as well, was that it seems to me that love is a word that different people use to mean different things at different times. It's almost like I kind of compare it. And I hope this isn't culturally insensitive, but there's a story about, you know, indigenous people of the Arctic and how many words they have for snow. You know, it's like, depending on your environment, you may have a much, much more nuanced understanding of some particular phenomenon. Like, we've got 100 different words for snow, but we only have one word for love, even though we seem to have at least 100 different things that we. Different, truly different things that we mean when we use that word. So, one of the things that's interesting to me in your monologue is you have said at various points that love is God. Love is everything.

Vision Battlesword [00:16:14]:
But then I also notice you make a distinction between love and other things, like particularly fear. So maybe love is nothing, everything. Maybe there is something that is not love. Does that help us to define whatever it is that love is?

Tiffany Fede [00:16:30]:
Wow.

Vision Battlesword [00:16:31]:
Is love, like, one polarity of energy and fear is another polarity, like a yin and a yang or a light and a shadow, or, like, what do you think about that, as far as your concept of what love is?

Tiffany Fede [00:16:45]:
Yeah, that's challenging to me, because, you know, when I say love is God, I really do think God is everything. I think the fear is God. I think it's all, you know, it all is it just all.

Vision Battlesword [00:16:54]:
Therefore, love is fear.

Tiffany Fede [00:16:56]:
Well, that would be. That would make that. But that doesn't. It doesn't feel, you know, it feels more of, like, a polarity thing, but it also feels like everything, which is really strange to me. So you're asking me this question. It's like, that's what we're here to do. Blow in my mind right now.

Vision Battlesword [00:17:09]:
We are doing the play.

Tiffany Fede [00:17:10]:
I'm just like, I don't know, man. I could, like, close my eyes and channel and be like, spirit, tell me, what is love do that I would love to know.

Vision Battlesword [00:17:22]:
Yeah.

Tiffany Fede [00:17:23]:
I don't know. It feels like the concept of it being in the aspect of polarity. So I think that love is the answer to all of the sort of negative polls. So, like, if you see, you know, you've got grief, look like we did that. We did that. We wrote down, you know, grief and love and da da da and love. And I feel like it's this overarching component that helps us to integrate and understand those feelings and emotions more deeply. Because if we bring.

Tiffany Fede [00:18:03]:
It's the magical. It's the magical elixir for the equation. It's the thing that can come in. It's not the opposite. I guess it can be that it doesn't feel like it's the opposite. It's the spirit that can come into your. To your body or come into, like, the DEA. Come into that emotion.

Tiffany Fede [00:18:23]:
It, like, puts itself into grief and, like, breaks it down for you to see it for what it is with acceptance. And we can also try to joy ourselves out of things and not look at it. And I don't think love is spiritual bypassing. I think love is the most powerful thing. It's like the fountain of which all things come, and it's gifting us these experiences of grief and sadness or whatever that's on this pole, so that we. Because we came here to experience. Right. But if we ride it on the coattails of loving awareness and understanding of it, we can see these things from a higher perspective.

Tiffany Fede [00:19:08]:
And I think that's what love gives us, is the higher perspective, and it makes us be able to live this earthly experience as awakened beings in an easier way only because of the power of love.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:22]:
Do you agree that love and joy are not the same?

Tiffany Fede [00:19:26]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:27]:
Okay.

Tiffany Fede [00:19:28]:
Mm hmm.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:28]:
Got it. Do you think that love is an emotion?

Tiffany Fede [00:19:32]:
I don't think it is. I guess it could be, but I really think of it as more than that. Like, I think it's a state of being.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:38]:
Hmm. Are all emotions a state of being?

Tiffany Fede [00:19:43]:
I would sure hope not. Okay.

Vision Battlesword [00:19:46]:
You know, what is a state of being?

Tiffany Fede [00:19:48]:
Well, because, like, I think that you can embody the presence of loving awareness throughout your experience. And you can be in a state of discomfort with loving awareness and with love.

Vision Battlesword [00:20:02]:
Sure.

Tiffany Fede [00:20:02]:
And you can, I guess, like, you can have joy too, but that feels more polar, I think. You can be sad like, you can love and sadness. Like, you know, like you. You're grieving a loss of someone wrapped in love, right. So they go together and grieving, it's like more. It's harder to find joy, you know? And so I. But I don't think you. I think people can wear grief and embody grief as like.

Tiffany Fede [00:20:31]:
But more so, I guess, like a state of being could be like, I'm depressed, you know, when people just. Just like I am, you're claiming that to be a state of being. So I think anything that we claim to be, you know, that's a whole other conversation is the I am, but.

Vision Battlesword [00:20:49]:
Well, is anything that we experience, is experience synonymous with being?

Tiffany Fede [00:20:55]:
I don't think so.

Vision Battlesword [00:20:56]:
Okay.

Tiffany Fede [00:20:56]:
No.

Vision Battlesword [00:20:57]:
What's the difference then?

Tiffany Fede [00:20:58]:
What is being so like, being? It's funny. So there's another podcast that, where I've learned a lot of. It's called ancestral wisdom and speaks so much about love and about how the, like, ancient cultures and leaders would say, I'm experiencing pain, but I feel happy. I'm experiencing sadness, but my spirit is great. That's why. That's how I've learned.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:28]:
And so to me, it sounds like you're describing a complex experience, which. All of which collectively is a state of being.

Tiffany Fede [00:21:37]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:37]:
Think about that. I mean, what is being like? I'm still. I'm still trying to get at that.

Tiffany Fede [00:21:41]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:42]:
What's the distinction that you're making about.

Tiffany Fede [00:21:44]:
I think being is the. I am. It's a statement of who you are as a person, who you be. So I am not.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:49]:
Oh, it's about identity.

Tiffany Fede [00:21:51]:
Right.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:52]:
It's about identifying with experience.

Tiffany Fede [00:21:53]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:21:54]:
Okay, I see now. Yes, I see.

Tiffany Fede [00:21:56]:
God, I love playing with you because you're so good at asking the questions with our, you know, helping with articulation.

Vision Battlesword [00:22:01]:
I love playing with you because I'm learning all, all these kinds thinks about love. Okay, this is great. All right, so being. Being has to do with your kind of deep true identity. And so you can be. You can be in a state, but that's not necessarily equivalent to any given experience that you're having. Any perception, environmental stimulus, even feelings and emotions that you're having. So for people that think of love as an emotion, like, put it on a list, for example, that I have.

Vision Battlesword [00:22:36]:
I have a list of say, seven basic emotions like joy, love, fear, sadness, pain, guilt, shame, and, of course, angers.

Tiffany Fede [00:22:49]:
That's a big one.

Vision Battlesword [00:22:51]:
What do you think about? So maybe just for a moment, setting aside these other definitions of love, have you experienced love as an emotion?

Tiffany Fede [00:23:01]:
I probably have, I think. But, like, I think of the idea of how love kind of creates these emotions. And I'll explain what I mean by that is, like, if I was apathetic, like, if I didn't have a strong feeling of, like, attachment to someone in regards to love, for instance, if I, you know, didn't love my husband, would I have grieved? Grieved his loss? Or if I didn't love my husband, would I have been angry so much when he relapsed or lied to me? Because I probably wouldn't care. So if I didn't care, then would I be angry? Like, if I didn't have luck? So for love to. It's like its own. It may be, and it can be, I guess, an emotion. But I think you feel turned on or you feel we fall. We fall in love.

Tiffany Fede [00:23:57]:
I think that it can be both. So I think it can be like we have a resonance with someone that makes us. Has us, like, feel feelings fall and fall in love with them and have that connection and attachment to them in a greater way. And also I can love all of these other people as well. But that deeper bonding connection, there is something to that emotional spark. But I don't know if that's love or it pre exists within us, that when that's what we are embodying and that attraction to someone that maybe anchors in a deeper love, would that be called something else?

Vision Battlesword [00:24:35]:
Well, I think so, sometimes. I think that many times we get mixed up, as you know from my iar work slash play, that we get mixed up between sex and love. And a lot of times we get mixed up between intimacy and love or affection and love. Like, we feel these different things. Like I just wrote down on my list here, love versus care. This is like yet another kind of aspect or facet of love that I think we sort of roll into this conglomeration of different states, feelings, experiences, whatever beingness, whatever these things may be. No, that's one of them. I think that we, many times we make an equivalence between I care for you and I love you, but I care for you to me also can be an expression of affection.

Vision Battlesword [00:25:27]:
Or you mentioned being turned on. Like, I'm attracted to you, we make an equivalence to I love you sometimes where really I lust for you might be more accurate, or I feel very close to you. I love you. When maybe what would be more accurate is to say I feel a deep sense of intimacy with you. You know, I feel like I know you. I feel like you know me. We just. We roll all of these things together into these kind of experiences that we call love, especially in relationship to other people.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:00]:
But then it seems that especially in our circles, people talk a lot about a. More of a universal experience of love, which is, I think, what you started with.

Tiffany Fede [00:26:11]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:11]:
You know, love is God. Love is everything. Love is. Sometimes people talk about it as, like, a universal field.

Tiffany Fede [00:26:18]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:19]:
That connects us together. Or maybe it is even the actual fundamental force of the universe that gives rise to everything.

Tiffany Fede [00:26:27]:
I believe that to be true.

Vision Battlesword [00:26:28]:
It's like, how do we sort all this out, though?

Tiffany Fede [00:26:29]:
I know. How do we sort all this out? Right? Gosh, man, when you talk about relationships, right? Like, love in that. In that sense, like, what's, like. Then you add on the word unconditional, you know, and it. It's like, what does that truly mean? And do you have to say unconditional? Shouldn't love just be unconditional? Or maybe it does come with conditions, but maybe it's not love that comes with conditions. It's. I still. I love because I love you and because love is universal.

Tiffany Fede [00:26:58]:
And I just. My heart love. And, like, yay, love. But, you know, relating with you sexually or intimately in a relationship or a partnership is not something I wish to do anymore. So this condition that isn't met or whatever, but. And then if we truly seek to have that unconditional love, can we accept them fully for who they are, warts and all? That's where the. That's where the depth and the growth and the expansion comes from. But it can be challenging, you know, the greater, you know, that fear is present.

Tiffany Fede [00:27:33]:
But just like, speaking to those certain things in communication, in a relationship, but it takes also you knowing yourself. So there's a lot of that, like, reflection and self awareness that comes to play. Monologue complete.

Vision Battlesword [00:27:51]:
Well, how about. How about the fact that we don't have this conversation, right, as adults, let alone as kids?

Tiffany Fede [00:28:00]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:28:01]:
I mean, most kids eventually, at some point, you know, in their childhood, get the sex talk by their parents. Do you know anyone? Did you ever get the love talk? Right? I never got the love talk. Nobody even taught me, like, what is love? I'm just supposed to, like, pick it up from the environment, from osmosis? No wonder we're so confused, because what. What do we each individually get modeled, that then gets attached to this label for us that we say, oh, well, I don't know. The way my parents acted, that must be love. Or the way that my first, you know, childhood or, you know, high school romance played out. Well, that must be love. Or the way I've seen it happen on tv or read in books or however, wherever those.

Vision Battlesword [00:28:43]:
That information comes to us. Oh, I guess that's what love is supposed to be. No wonder we're so messed up about it, because, like, we're not actually even coming to coherence with ourselves and with each other about what we even think this concept means. So that's why I think this conversation is so cool. When you come back to that idea, when you brought up that idea of unconditional love, I think that's fantastic, because to me, that's a program that has an opportunity to be something really, really beautiful. But I think, more often than not, unfortunately, it becomes dysfunctional for us in terms of creating this ideal of something that we're supposed to experience or that we're supposed to feel naturally or like if we're not able to accomplish that. That feeling of something that's fully unconditional, that therefore we're wrong or broken or, you know, we just haven't done enough work yet or something like that. But to me, it comes back to this other piece that we talked about with love versus acceptance versus gratitude.

Vision Battlesword [00:29:52]:
And so me and GLAAD did some really cool, productive play on acceptance, which I think laid a lot of the groundwork for where we are now and then. Me and Raj. I really should clean up my grammar. Raj and I did some cool, productive play on gratitude versus acceptance, where what we came around to was that acceptance is sort of like the lowest level, let's put it. And I'm not trying to put it as a superiority inferiority thing. I'm just saying that, like, when you strip away, the more things that you strip away and strip away and strip away, eventually you get to acceptance, where acceptance is really just kind of that. Like, I am, I am, I am, I am, right? That it. This is.

Vision Battlesword [00:30:41]:
This is that kind of like a piece of level of frequency. It's not necessarily any particular emotional state. It's just unfiltered reality is acceptance. And then what we thought we discovered in that conversation, Raj and I, is that gratitude is actually a way of transforming judgment into acceptance. So gratitude is a way of taking something that feels like, this is bad, this is wrong, this is not what I would like it to be. And then washing it with love, in a way, washing it with. I'm thankful for this. As painful as this was, as joyful as this was, as whatever this was, I'm thankful for this.

Vision Battlesword [00:31:29]:
I love this. This is good. It transforms that judgment from bad into good, which allows us to get to. I accept this. This is. And so coming full circle back around to love, my sense in this conversation right now, is that what we really mean when we say unconditional love is we really mean acceptance? That's what I think we mean to say. Like, I love you unconditionally to me, more than anything else, what it means is I accept you exactly as you are. Does that make sense?

Tiffany Fede [00:32:04]:
Yeah, no, it does make sense. And it's funny, when you talked about it just made me think of, like, alchemy, spiritual alchemy. And that's truly, like, what we're here, who we are, you know, as beings. Like, we're taking these experiences and using the power of that awareness and that love and gratitude and turning it into something beautiful. And I think, like, it makes it easier throughout our daily lives when it's a practice, right? I. The whole. Everybody talks about the thing of cutting someone off. Like, you get if you just don't care, if you just accept it, if you're just like, kind of.

Tiffany Fede [00:32:44]:
Huh, huh? But then the things that are cool, you're just like, look at that. That was amazing. And things that are crappy, you're just like, eh. I think it just helps you navigate things in a more negotiable way when you're unbothered by things.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:02]:
The first time that I encountered the whole concept of love versus fear, or that, like, love and fear are the only two real true emotional states. Like, you can boil everything down, you know, all those seven that I mentioned before can eventually boil them down to just love and fear. It's like this ultimate binary of the universe was in conversations with God by Neil Donald Walsh. Have you read that stuff?

Tiffany Fede [00:33:28]:
I have. I haven't read all of it.

Vision Battlesword [00:33:30]:
But you're kind of familiar with it. Yeah, I think it also shows up in a course in miracles. I haven't read that, but I think that's all. All that stuff is kind of derived from the same source material in a certain way, right?

Tiffany Fede [00:33:42]:
Source material. There's a reason that there's so many different texts and information gifted to us to tell us the same thing, because it's like, wake up. All you need is love. John Lennon. Like, let's go. It's the freaking answer. And it's written everywhere. We have the power to choose to create our reality, that love is the answer, the bow that you put on everything, and it's how we rise and elevate and shift into consciously creating, and everything is true.

Tiffany Fede [00:34:20]:
Every single thing you say. A thing like your belief and your belief and his belief and that belief, and it's like, yes. Yeah, yes, and yes.

Vision Battlesword [00:34:29]:
Yes, yes. So love is the answer. Okay, what is it? What is it? What do we mean by that? Is it.

Tiffany Fede [00:34:39]:
What does it feel like for you if you were to close your eyes and just, like, close your eyes, take a deep breath in your nose, and just slow down, and you can play this game where you can connect to your senses and ask your body to. We'll start with a different emotion. Right. So, you know, what does excitement feel like? And just, like, breathe into your body and feel what excitement feels like. See if that can give you a resonance for a moment.

Vision Battlesword [00:35:19]:
Okay. I got excitement online.

Tiffany Fede [00:35:20]:
Okay, great. And now let's go with sadness. We'll just feel sadness, but don't stay there too long.

Vision Battlesword [00:35:33]:
I'm there.

Tiffany Fede [00:35:34]:
Okay, great. Now let's go to joyous.

Vision Battlesword [00:35:46]:
All right.

Tiffany Fede [00:35:47]:
And then take a deep breath and ask your body, like, ask spirit. Ask your body to show you love.

Vision Battlesword [00:36:02]:
It feels, like, super calm, extremely peaceful, contented, but with achiness around my heart. Like, not bad, but, like, poignant. Like, sort of, like the kind of achy. Like, this sort of good pain that you feel when you're stretching. Stretching in a really good way. It's not necessarily comfortable, but I like.

Tiffany Fede [00:36:40]:
It weirdly, you know, for me, it's funny that you mentioned it felt. I instantly felt, like, held and wrapped. Like, I felt so emotional. I felt, like, tears. I felt safe. I felt just, like, soft and warm and soothed and. And comfort, and I saw, like, mother earth. Like, I saw, like, inside the earth, kind of like.

Tiffany Fede [00:37:08]:
Like a body attached to a tree. Like, I just. It was like, this cocoon, this, like, safe, this beautiful. But I also, like, physically felt, like, wrapped up. So it's funny that we both felt, like, the contentment and whatever, and I can understand the ache, like, that feeling, and it's powerful, and I really think it has a consciousness.

Vision Battlesword [00:37:29]:
Yeah, there's something about that for me. I don't know why, but when I'm feeling what I call the emotion of love, the stronger it is, the more it hurts, weirdly, but not in a. Again, not in a bad way. It's not like, the kind of pain. You know, it's not damaging pain, but for some reason, there's something very achy about it. But for me, it's interesting that you talk about feeling wrapped and cocooned. I also felt safe.

Tiffany Fede [00:38:02]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:38:02]:
But for me, it was very more outward reaching and outward facing, and it felt more like me being the one doing the rapping or me being the one doing the cocooning. But, like, I think having this. Having, like, a really, really, like, deep, complete sense of safety in that, like, I am taken care of, and now I want to envelop, you know, someone, something, another being. That's interesting. I'm impressed by how easily you were able to guide me into bringing those emotional states online. Cause I was actually gonna push back just a little bit before you started that exercise with me and say, like, well, you realize, you know, you're trying to kind of push the buttons of an Android over here. You know, like, when I listen to these sacred conversations sometimes I've mentioned this to dawn before. I find it funny because it almost sounds to me like an alien robot come to earth to try and, like, discover, like, what is this love that you all talk about? Like, describe it to me.

Vision Battlesword [00:39:06]:
Oh, my God, please help me understand it. Yeah, and we're talking about all these, like, deep human conditions and stuff, but, yeah, you're really good at that. That was a beautiful little exercise that I think anyone could follow along with that and really start to dial into and really identify with that assistance of spirit, I think, is a great idea. Their own, what they mean. What does this label mean to me? What does this actually feel like? Try to isolate it in a safe environment like this so that later on, when maybe I'm experiencing more complexity, emotional state or experience, it'd be easier to dial into. Yeah, this is an interesting mix of fear, joy and sadness or fear, love and shame, or whatever those things may be.

Tiffany Fede [00:39:55]:
It would be a great practice. And it's so funny. We're. I'm glad we ended up doing that. And it was just kind of divinely guided. But because we're sitting here attempting to analyze their mind, the concept of love, when, like, all of the things and the teachings are, like, get out of your head and into your heart, or out of your head and into your heart. And we're trying to, like, use our mind to conceptualize this thing. So, like, you want to know what love is? Well, ask love to show you what it is.

Tiffany Fede [00:40:25]:
Like, why don't you feel it go into your heart? People are like, go into your heart. What does that even mean? Not everybody kind of has an understanding of that. And so, you know, people, I'm excited for more and more people to come to that because they're so busy. Go, go, go. Head, head. And don't know how it feels to just, like, sit in your body and breathe and really feel the experience of surrender. And a lot of us have gotten it through medicine journeys, right? Or through breath work, which you've talked about was really powerful for you. But just, like, coming into that slowdown and that breath and allowing us to feel, because we're energetic, we're energy, and so, like, we can.

Tiffany Fede [00:41:08]:
We can. When we sit and we slow down, this is where it's get. Like, I feel if we can, like, expand our whatever molecules, like, creating spaciousness to, like, it's not visible necessarily, but we can, like, push out our soul, our spirit, to become more energetic and tune in and have the capacity when we slow down and we just settle and we can instantly, like, drop into the feeling. And for me, like, it's funny, like, grief. You're thinking about grief or heartache or sadness or whatever. Like, when love comes in, it feels more conscious. Like, grief feels like a memory attached. Like, I have a memory that goes with grief.

Tiffany Fede [00:41:52]:
Well, if I want to find out what grief is, I think about a sad moment that happened, and I kind of try to feel it. Right. But when you ask what love is, it just comes in on its own. And you don't have to think of a person, place, or thing. You can ask. The energy and the essence of love to come in is how I feel.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:09]:
I think that's one version of it, or maybe just one aspect of it. If it is actually one thing, I still have a suspicion that we're using one word to refer to more than one thing.

Tiffany Fede [00:42:23]:
Like, in life in general or in this conversation or both.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:26]:
In both, yeah. But in life especially. In life in general.

Tiffany Fede [00:42:30]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:31]:
Especially when you say, like, a person, place, or thing. Like, it seems to me that, I don't know, maybe this is just my experience or maybe I'm wrong, but to say I love you versus to say I love Arizona versus to say I love ice cream.

Tiffany Fede [00:42:50]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:42:51]:
Are, like, three very different things. I don't know. And maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe it's really all somehow aspects of the same thing. And I guess the deeper we go with the whole universality of this concept of what we're talking about, the more things can tie back to it. But coming back to before the exercise you guided me through, I was asking the question, like, okay, what is it? If we're saying it. Love is the answer, John Lennon style. Well, what is it? So, okay, based on what I felt, it is a combination of peace, calm, safety, genuine care for others, compassion, and maybe a sense of connectedness, like kind of tying all those concepts together.

Vision Battlesword [00:43:43]:
And that would make sense, right, if that was what we were feeling most or all of the time, and that was how we were treating each other, coming from a. From that place, that experience, that state of being, if you will. Yeah, that would be a pretty good step in the direction of the answer, whatever that even means. But, like, I feel like there's so much more complexity to it, especially, like, in my iar practice, I was able to break down the idea of love into, well, several different things, but I'll just focus on two of them for right now. One is that emotional state that we just described, that feeling, let's just call it. But another one is love is a verb. To love. What does that mean? To love and to be loved? We desire that.

Vision Battlesword [00:44:33]:
We maybe even feel that we have a need for that. That, I think, brings me back to something else on my whiteboard here that came of one of your earlier statements, which is love versus belonging. I'm reminded of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, where love and belonging actually occupy the same tier. It's like love, belonging.

Tiffany Fede [00:44:54]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:44:55]:
Either one. Take or pick. Maybe a little bit of both. Right. Whatever. That's interesting, huh. But to be loved is interesting to me because what that seems to mean, I think, for most people, is certain behaviors that are enacted in a relationship. I feel loved.

Vision Battlesword [00:45:15]:
When you remember my birthday, you buy me flowers. You are there to support me, you know, when I need emotional support, whatever. Are the types of things that we do for each other in relationship that demonstrate to the other person through behavior that we are feeling that thing, that. That sort of give you the evidence or give you the reason to believe that I do feel love in your presence. What do you think about all that?

Tiffany Fede [00:45:46]:
Oh, I got so much like you take. You're going to be taking notes. One thing I need you to write down, I would like for you to write down, please, is do you guys see how I switched my request? Would you please write down falling in love with life? It's like thing, right? But as far as what you just spoke of, man, it's all a mirror, and it's all mirror work, in my opinion. And so when we're saying you do this and it makes me feel love, we're putting that on someone else and.

Vision Battlesword [00:46:23]:
Well, no, I'm saying something different. I think that is a thing. 100%. I'm saying something slightly different. I'm saying you do this, and I believe that you feel love.

Tiffany Fede [00:46:34]:
Oh, okay.

Vision Battlesword [00:46:35]:
Slightly different.

Tiffany Fede [00:46:35]:
Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. And also, it's still. I get it. Cause I feel I've, like, gosh, the documentation, like, this most recent relationship experience that I'm in, it's so there's, like, so much awareness and, like, how I am feeling. Our beliefs create our reality and how I am feeling internally and how I reflect that feeling or that state or that being out into the world, because that's how I'm radiating is how that person perceives me and how life all around kind of seems to unfold. For the most part.

Tiffany Fede [00:47:16]:
It's pretty, like, self aware and high up there, but there's moments of experiencing doubt or insecurity or any sort of thing, and I'm having to or choosing to process before communicating with someone so that I'm, like, aware of my emotions and I can respond, or I can be in a state that is more associated with love. This feels like so much, but it's like, I really want to unpack it properly, because when I don't process and when we respond quickly and we react when we don't respond, when we don't take the time to give to ourselves, and we're energized because of pre existing fear or conditions that cause the pain and the pattern, and we let that be the thing that runs our show, and we don't consciously drop in to the state of love, then we're reacting on what we're going to get back, what we're putting out toward ourselves. And that's just the little thing that can cause little talking nasty or little misjudgments or little misunderstandings that can, like, lead to dissonance, right? And that can be caused by certain things. Like, when I received my diagnosis, I went through, like, a real quiet storm for a while, like, being very emotional and feeling, like, sadness, but not having a name for it, because, like, I have this understanding that everything's gonna be okay, but why am I feeling? And so then I'm in my mind, and I'm thought looping, and it just is that until I recognize, okay, I have a toolkit, a shadow worker's dossier of what to do when I'm feeling, in this experience, the art of letting go, feeling emotions, being aware, getting it out, processing it, moving it through the body, and doing all of those things that I don't want to be. The hierarchy of elevating the frequency, but, like, moving the energy about. So there's spaciousness for clarity and for seeing and not the heaviness because, like, the sadness or like that, if you feel heavier, you don't feel as light. And so there's something about light and dark, heavy and not heavy. They coincide.

Tiffany Fede [00:49:42]:
And it's not a hierarchy, is that polarity, and it is that way. Like density. Right? But then there's a good sense there's something to that density. There's a reason for it. We have to experience all of it. And so in coming back to, like, in relation, you know, when you act in this way, I feel like you love me or I feel loved by you or feel like you feel love, I think that if I'm in dissonance, that I'm going to receive that and give that to my partner. And even if I try while in a state of dissonance, the energy behind it is like an energy of lack or an energy of fear rather than actually that free energy of love. But sometimes it takes speaking a need.

Tiffany Fede [00:50:32]:
Like, I'm experiencing fear of abandonment right now. Like, I've had those moments at the Eclipse festival, I was like, I'm feeling a fear of abandonment. Like, are you going to leave me? And, like, not in that. Just in that moment and what we did, but that moment, that fear that I had at this big festival of 50,000 people, and I was just like, it, like, caused him to, like, put his hand on my heart and, like, I'm not leaving you. And we had this transcendental healing experience because I spoke to something that was happening and I didn't act in a reactive way and I didn't, like, get mad and I didn't crumble. I just articulated it. And even in a heightened state and because it was, I trusted this person and I felt safe to share that. And in that moment, and it feels like all of that is love.

Tiffany Fede [00:51:28]:
I feel like the trust to speak that truth is love. And I feel like the response is love. And I think that all of this is, again, a lesson of really allowing the energy and the power and the spirit of the essence that is loved to come into our lives. And if we surrender to it, all of the things that we get in fights about is just like when we're out of present and we're thinking in the past, I'm mad about this, this, this and that. That's not love thinking in that way. Or I'm thinking about future, future. Fear, fear, fear, worry, worry, worry, control. I have to control that it's going to be like this.

Tiffany Fede [00:52:12]:
And so that takes us out of, like, this very present moment, which is kind of where everything is.

Vision Battlesword [00:52:21]:
So it's funny, because we didn't start out this way, or I didn't start out with this explicit question, even though this is kind of the question that has been on my mind these last few minutes, wanting to kind of close this chapter about love versus fear. And you came around to it naturally.

Tiffany Fede [00:52:39]:
Yay. Okay, great.

Vision Battlesword [00:52:40]:
And so what I'm getting from this is a couple of things. One, I think that the range of this experience that we. I think that we have a much broader range of possible experience, or there are much greater range of, let's say, densities or frequencies or vibrations than just love versus fear. I think that's an oversimplification. But I also think that, like many simplifications, it can be useful if we just think of things, and you talked about densities. If we just think of things in sort of a more heavy density versus a lighter density, we kind of look at the obvious natural polarities of the physical world and the universe from yin, yang, light, shadow, positive, negative, in the electrical world or in the physics world, or any of these other ways that there seems to be these binaries, these seems to be these polarities, okay? So one could think of these kind of vibratory frequencies that we experience as emotional and energetic states, as being largely simplified into heavy light, fear. Love, let's call it. But when you're talking about your experience with your partner at the festival, I had a real epiphany about this, which is that, okay, so when you were in that moment having the feelings that you were feeling, it felt like a fear of abandonment.

Vision Battlesword [00:54:14]:
But you chose to flip that polarity. You chose to flip out of that fear resonance into a love frequency which didn't necessarily look in the moment, original moment as like lovey dovey kind of love, but it was a kind of love which was a reaching out in honesty, in authenticity, vulnerability, transparency, speaking. What was true for you in that moment, choosing not to be in the past or future reactive state, but choosing to be in the present moment with what you were feeling and sharing those feelings. What I'm getting from all of that is love is if we're going to reduce emotions to two states, love is that state that represents expansion, openness and reaching out, whereas fear represents contraction, closedness, or pulling back. We could kind of. That seems like to me, a useful simplification of the love versus fear paradigm. And saying, like, hey, can we try this more from a love perspective? And sometimes I think maybe it is appropriate, actually, maybe fear is a perfectly appropriate state in certain circumstances for self protection.

Tiffany Fede [00:55:37]:
Well, I think that there is an element of. So, like, I resonate with the outward expansion expression. The fear is that, like, pulling back contraction. I think that maybe another way to put it, going inward is healthy at times. I think you can go inward in a conscious, loving way. And maybe it doesn't have to be necessarily associated with fear. I'm not going inward for fear. I'm going.

Tiffany Fede [00:56:05]:
I'm contracting intentionally to. Yeah. To check in with myself, to have my boundaries, to see what's me. Because again, when we don't go into, like, human design and our open centers and da da da, and what's mine, what's yours? And it's important to be able to come into your own field of resonance because we're taking on so many other people's things and stuff and tapping into all those other energies around. And so that's a, like, again, another conversation. When you move through the world, like, if you say love is connection in that joyful, connecting state, man, you just, like, make friends everywhere, dog. Like, you, the gate people at my parents, neighborhood, they're all just like. We're just like, hey, how's it going? You just, like, when you slow down yourself, give yourself enough time to, like, connect with those that are in resonance.

Tiffany Fede [00:56:55]:
Because it's not always. It's not everyone, right? Or even just, like, taking time to witness again. It's like going out in the world and that love, witnessing through the eyes of love and expanded state, it can look like awareness of someone else's needs. And that really makes a difference in a relationship. And it can look like expressing your needs, like I did at the festival. And it could look like just, like, desiring to understand someone and, like, know their story. And just like, I. When you say, how are you feel? Like, yeah, what? Taking the time to just, like, have a little chit chat with people, it can change your life, their life, and the frequency of the environment around you and them and all the people that come into contact with it.

Vision Battlesword [00:57:43]:
Totally, totally. This is the whole philosophy of forever fest. Have we talked about this before?

Tiffany Fede [00:57:49]:
No.

Vision Battlesword [00:57:50]:
Okay. That's a whole different conversation.

Tiffany Fede [00:57:52]:
Oh, man.

Vision Battlesword [00:57:52]:
Forever fest right now. Okay, we'll get into it some other time. It's something. Something I came up with a few years ago.

Tiffany Fede [00:57:57]:
Yes. I feel like I've. Yeah, kind of heard of it.

Vision Battlesword [00:58:01]:
In short, very briefly, it's just the idea of why do we go to the festival and play love, right, for three days and go back. Go back to the grind, go back to work, go back to being a dick, basically. Like, we go to the festival and, like, everybody's all loving and accepting and. And empathetic and compassionate and supportive and, like, we're playing this, like, little love, like, utopia game.

Tiffany Fede [00:58:25]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:58:26]:
And then we go back and we just go back to being a dick, and it's like, wait.

Tiffany Fede [00:58:28]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [00:58:29]:
What if we actually just went back to life, but with that exact same mindset and that exact same resonance and presentation and just treated everyone like that all the time? What would the world be like? And I guess that's just kind of like what John Lennon was trying to say, too, right?

Tiffany Fede [00:58:44]:
Well, when we were in Kauai with Whitney and Sarah, like, it was. It. That's. We're just like, you just do heaven, and in Portugal, it's like, you just do heaven everywhere. And people were amazed by us because we were like. So we're like, hi. You know, so happy about everything and joyful and, like, just looking through the eyes of wonder like a child and awe and gratitude and receptivity and acceptance, and something happens. That's okay, no big deal.

Tiffany Fede [00:59:09]:
Da da da. You're just, like, easy, and you just be in love everywhere. It's like, it can. You can do that. You can come into Austin forever fest.

Vision Battlesword [00:59:19]:
Totally.

Tiffany Fede [00:59:20]:
Totally.

Vision Battlesword [00:59:20]:
You can do forever fest anywhere.

Tiffany Fede [00:59:22]:
You can do forever festival.

Vision Battlesword [00:59:23]:
However, also, I think it is true that not everyone is doing forever fest everywhere, right? And so I think this kind of brings me back to the point I was trying to make a minute ago, and we're just kind of, like, once again, trying to close this chapter about love and fear. But I guess what I'm starting to realize better and better through our conversation that we're having right now is just having an appreciation for both. Like, yin and yang are not. One's not good and the other one bad. They are inseparable, right? They have to complete each other. Positive and negative electrical poles. Positive is not the good one and negative the bad one. You can't have electricity without both.

Vision Battlesword [01:00:13]:
It makes a circuit. And I'm kind of looking at that as that I think there's something judgmental and inaccurate. Like, I think there's a misunderstanding, maybe, of this love and fear model that comes from the source material, as we call it, which is that there's some kind of an idea that one is good and the other is bad and that there's some sort of a goal like, where we win the game when we get to 100% love and 0% fear. And what I'm kind of wondering right now is, it's like everything is cyclical. Everything is in vibration. Everything is in oscillation. There's an expansion because previously there was a contraction. There's a contraction because previously there was an expansion.

Vision Battlesword [01:00:58]:
We breathe in, we breathe out. You know, the sun goes up, the sun goes down, like all of these different things. And so I'm just looking at that as to what extent can we actually discharge whatever attachments that we have to both of these states and then come into more of a harmony of, yeah, I'm going through a contraction right now. I feel like it's time for me to pull back right now. It's time for me to set boundaries right now. And, you know, that doesn't necessarily represent. It doesn't have to represent cutting myself off from the rest of experience. I think certainly there's an equal and opposite approach to life that many people enact compared to forever fest, like, what we're talking about, which is going through life in a state of heavy fear consciousness, you know, deliberately not talking to other people, deliberately not being open emotionally, energetically, or being receptive to anyone.

Vision Battlesword [01:02:02]:
Engaging with everyone is a potential conflict, you know, conflict until. Until proven otherwise, kind of. Kind of approach to life. And I don't know, I'm just looking for balance, I think. What do you think about that?

Tiffany Fede [01:02:14]:
Well, I think that fear shows us what is. What is what is still living in our body, like, patterns and beliefs. So I think it shows up to show us what's what we still get to work through and communicate through, because I do think that eventually there will be a state in this consciousness is evolution, where we will transcend that. But that can't last forever again, because it's. Everything's cyclical, right? And it won't last forever. And we'll come back into the cycle of having, you know, the 400 years of whatever wars fear. It's going to come back again at some point, but we will come to a state where. Where we do transcend that.

Tiffany Fede [01:02:53]:
And we're. But. But I think what goes with that is, like, we're not gonna wonder because we're gonna have telepathic connection and there's, like, nothing to fear because everything is so transparent, like, and we're, like, living in these bodies that are not bodies and everything. There's nothing because, like, we don't have the density experience, and that's where the fear comes in. I think it comes from the physical experience that we're living in. So, yeah, I don't think it's like, I agree that having a balance and maybe not fear the time of contraction, and you know that, but I think love is wrapped in that. I think not fearing contraction, that's what love is, is accepting that everything is all.

Vision Battlesword [01:03:38]:
Yeah. What I'm wondering is if we can actually have. Can you actually take. Okay, let's look at, like, the visible light spectrum and say, like, we judge everything above green as love and everything below green as fear, or, like, lower density, lower vibration, whatever that is. And we say, you know, we really just want, actually blue, indigo, and violet. That's all we want. Do we really want to take those other colors out of the spectrum? Could we even have a spectrum without those colors? Could we have a yin without a yang? If you take the. You know, if you take the yang off the.

Vision Battlesword [01:04:16]:
Off the yin, like, what do you. Do you actually have anything that even is functional or is complete? What I'm wondering is, and this comes from one of the recent conversations I had with JJ, actually, which had to do with coming to a place of enjoyment, of the full spectrum, of the full richness of emotional states. And I asked the question, I was like, well, what do you mean by enjoyment? Because to me, joy is itself an emotion. So how do you have. How do you have joy and shame? How do you have joy and sadness, or whatever that may be? He was like, well, it's obvious, like, you can overlap your emotional states, complex experience. But what we got to was, what he really meant was, and what I understand and agree with is that it's not so much about enjoying shame, but it's about appreciating the richness of that experience. Savoring. That was the word we came to, like, savoring that experience for what it is.

Vision Battlesword [01:05:17]:
And so that's kind of what I'm wondering about this love versus fear thing is, weirdly, maybe we can just stop being afraid of fear. I know that sounds contradictory, but you know what I mean?

Tiffany Fede [01:05:31]:
I know exactly.

Vision Battlesword [01:05:32]:
Like, recognizing I'm going through a contraction, recognizing I'm going through a powerful emotional experience that I would not describe as the frequency of love in this moment. But not judging that.

Tiffany Fede [01:05:47]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:05:49]:
Does that make sense? I think it's about reminding judgment.

Tiffany Fede [01:05:52]:
If you're like, I feel angry right now, and I feel like labeling it is really important to be able to appreciate it without judgment, because having an understanding of what it is and being able to label what it is feels really powerful. But, like, a line is coming at you. You're gonna feel fear. Maybe you don't. Look, maybe some people don't. But, like, that is a healthy response mechanism that we can be fully grateful for, and it activates a charge within us, and it does something to our body, and it creates.

Vision Battlesword [01:06:29]:
Here's an idea.

Tiffany Fede [01:06:30]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:06:31]:
Get on a rollercoaster.

Tiffany Fede [01:06:32]:
Uh huh. Yes. Yes, exactly.

Vision Battlesword [01:06:35]:
You are experiencing simultaneously love and fear. Maybe that's the trick. Maybe the trick is, how can we unify this experience rather than judging? One is good, one is bad. And I think going through kind of alternating forms of bypassing, like, you used the word bypassing earlier, like, maybe that's really what it's about, is being able to love our fear and somehow, you know, incorporate the beauty of fear, whatever that looks like, into our love.

Tiffany Fede [01:07:09]:
Yeah, I agree. But then I come to this thinking of, like, when I first started in this open kind of relating and witnessing my love with someone else, like, seeing it with my eyes or thinking about it, it would simultaneously trigger a turn on and an extreme ache and pain in my heart. And, like, what I did not. I was like, this is so powerful together, this charge, and you're just like, whoa. Then it got to the point through our conversation, through communicating and boundaries and all of, like, him showing up and a really grounded, loving present, great, divine way and making me feel safe. Suddenly, that turn on was just turn on, and it turned into love and compersion. And let me tell you what. I certainly enjoyed that experience better because it didn't come with the contraction of me having to go hide and, like, process and feel in my feelings.

Tiffany Fede [01:08:16]:
And then. But all of that was also beautiful because it led me to go sit with tobacco and I sit with grandfather rabe, and I'm just like, okay, help me to understand. And so I'm weaving through these beautiful, different emotions, and, like, what does it mean? And really having this profound human experience. But when I was able to transcend that, I did. I will say, like, it's a lot more fun and easy to navigate when I'm not experiencing fear, when I can unconditionally love and accept this experience. And just, like, being the love of it is great. My energy is great. What I put into the experience is great.

Tiffany Fede [01:09:02]:
How I feel is great. How they feel is great. It's all great, and it's amazing and so wonderful. And so I think having all of it makes us appreciate, but I do feel like it's better. It's just, like, I want to have all of it to be aware, like, I'm living the experience. Experiencing pain. I'm experiencing sadness and grief and whatever. And, like.

Tiffany Fede [01:09:26]:
And able to, you know, be aware of that and put a label to that. But I still think that living in that, that state of ease and grace. Just allows for life experiences to be better for all.

Vision Battlesword [01:09:44]:
So maybe we can move or shift or elevate our own personal center of gravity. In terms of our, say, default resonant frequency. Maybe we can maintain our range. But we can kind of shift up the scale. And choose to be in the frequencies that we prefer more often.

Tiffany Fede [01:10:07]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:10:08]:
I had an idea a couple years ago that sometimes I think that some of the conflicts or tensions that we have in relationship. Come from the fact that we have kind of different natural resting places. And, let's say, the emotional harmonic spectrum. Both on the light side and on the dense side. Where at least in one case, I felt. I noticed in a relationship that I was having. That my light frequency tends to default more to joy. And my dense frequency tends to default more to anger.

Vision Battlesword [01:10:49]:
Whereas this other person, their light frequency defaulted more to love. And their dense frequency defaulted more to shame. And it seemed like those were kind of like oil and water. Because, like, when we were vibing high, they wanted love and I wanted joy. And we weren't really meeting there. And then when we were vibing low, they were experiencing shame and I was experiencing more anger. We weren't vibing there either. I just think that's interesting.

Vision Battlesword [01:11:18]:
Do you think that's. Do you notice that too? That, like, sometimes they're kind of like our high vibe and our low vibe states. We can have sort of a natural center of gravity that we fall into and then that. Have you ever thought about how that could create some of the recurring conflicts that we sometimes have in relationships. Where it's just, like, what we're expecting from each other isn't what we're getting?

Tiffany Fede [01:11:38]:
Yeah. I was actually gonna ask you, like, how you, like, recognize that. And if you talked about it and what you did and how you move forward and how you communicate about it. Cause I'm so curious. Like, in that, like, I wanna know, like, okay. When you figured that out, like, you recognize it, then what do you do? Because I really believe it's. Communication is super important in those experiences. And also, I think when we are in our most aligned state now, that doesn't mean the highest.

Tiffany Fede [01:12:04]:
I'm my highest self, so I'm, like, my best. But just maybe my most favorite or most aligned with where I am supposed to be, right? Now, and I get a match. And so the match is in his most aligned state. We are not always there, so we're not always, like, in that, but, like, we come together, and so we're gonna. We're meant to be in this experience. So a lot of these things are going to line up because, like, of how we are together. But let's say I have a need for this actually has happened. I, like, I have a need.

Tiffany Fede [01:12:38]:
I want. I'm feeling emotional. I need. I need touch. I need touch. I need comfort. I want to make love. I want to.

Tiffany Fede [01:12:45]:
Whatever. And he had a crazy, stressful week, and he needs solitude and he needs space. And then, holy shit, what do we do to support one another? And, like, what does this mean? Is this the end of our thing? And it just means, like, this is a relationship and this is us. Like, how do we come together and give each other what we need and come and compromise and recognizing the ebbs and flows and I think if my highest state was love and someone else's highest, if I want love and they want joy, like, you just can come together and, like, well, how. What does that mean? Like, what does it mean when you say, well, you want love? What does that mean to you? Do you want touch? Do you want intimacy? Do you want sex? Do you want to cuddle? Do you want to watch a movie? Like, what do you mean?

Vision Battlesword [01:13:36]:
That is an awesome question.

Tiffany Fede [01:13:38]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:13:38]:
I want more people to ask each other that question and get clear on. Okay, when you're saying you're desiring love in this moment, please be more specific.

Tiffany Fede [01:13:48]:
Right? Yeah. Yeah. And so, like. And let's say you want joy. It's like, what does that mean? Do you want to go dancing? Do you want to go out to eat? Do you want to laugh? Do you want to play games? And then it's like, do you want.

Vision Battlesword [01:13:58]:
To see me smile?

Tiffany Fede [01:13:59]:
Right? Yeah. It's like, I want sex and I want to play games. Like, well, I think we could probably figure something out, you know what I mean? Where everybody gets their needs met.

Vision Battlesword [01:14:09]:
Naked Twister.

Tiffany Fede [01:14:09]:
Yeah, naked Twister. It's perfect. Yeah, it's all doable. And then the same with, like, it's actually. It's different with low emotions, but it's. It's that recognition of, like, somebody's been at work all day and they've got a lot of stuff on them from being, like, I need to being aware. Like, I need to go do this, this and this so I can be in a more aligned state and be my whole self so that I can come communicate with you and communicate with you in a grounded way and to recognize that in the. In the moment or before the moment.

Tiffany Fede [01:14:45]:
So it's. It's a constant. It's doing. It's doing the work of, like, reevaluating the relationship. What are your needs? Or. And evaluating yourself. What are my needs? Like, it's. This is, like the play of getting to know oneself.

Tiffany Fede [01:14:58]:
And, like, if you. If I go to anger, if I go, I know I like to. I, like, will pull away and just. And I'll get in my, like, my, like, fire feisty thing and, like, attitude, like, you're gonna. Oh, really? So, like, I'm gonna get in my power or something and then. But it. Or I will. But I've articulated, if I hide away or if I pull away, like, I'm gonna.

Tiffany Fede [01:15:28]:
I need you to come get me, because otherwise I'll just stay. I might stay away or, like, I need you. And so having that conversation ahead of time, or sometimes I'll say in the moment, I'm feeling anxious avoidant right now, and. And just, like, studying and learning and labeling it. And when you label it, it doesn't have the power, like, over you. It's like that awareness of, like, I'm experiencing that.

Vision Battlesword [01:15:56]:
So, like, that's a really interesting insight. Just the. The power that a label has to, like, receive a charge to, like, externalize, like, discharge something and, like, put it in a container. Like, now, okay, now my cognitive brain can now work with this.

Tiffany Fede [01:16:14]:
Right?

Vision Battlesword [01:16:15]:
That's really interesting. Another thing that's, I'm really happy we're having this conversation and bringing this idea back, because I haven't really done anything with it in terms of productive play, you asked me, like, you fire hosed me with about 17 questions, and that didn't allow me to answer. But all of those questions are interesting in terms of, like, what did I do in that relationship with that insight that, like, oh, we don't vibe on the same emotional frequencies and then blah, blah, blah, blah. And what did we do? And I'm not gonna answer any of those questions right now, but what I will say is that I have nothing. I have not done anything with that concept. But now that we're having this conversation, I think I'm realizing that that could be really important and interesting. So what's occurring to me right now is a model that looks like a more complex, maybe more complicated would be a better word, version of the drama triangle.

Tiffany Fede [01:17:09]:
I don't know what that is, but.

Vision Battlesword [01:17:11]:
Where emotional states have like a partnership or partner relationship with each other. The drama. You don't know the drama triangle? Oh, my goodness. Okay. The drama triangle is an amazing evolution of a psychological system called transactional analysis. Simplified version is when we're engaging in petty human dramas where everybody's blowing up and acting out these repetitive role plays. There's three roles that we typically take on in some relationship with each other, which is victim, persecutor, and rescuer. And each one.

Tiffany Fede [01:17:51]:
Oh, yes.

Vision Battlesword [01:17:52]:
Each one of these roles has the opportunity to, like, trigger another person into the equal and opposite. So somebody jumps into a victim, someone else will likely jump into a persecutor or jump into a rescuer because they did that. It's like, you know, so they kind of.

Tiffany Fede [01:18:09]:
Oh, yeah, I'm familiar for sure. I've had these. No awareness of them.

Vision Battlesword [01:18:13]:
Yeah. And then, of course, there's the. The opposite of polarity of the drama triangle, which is called the empowerment triangle, where each of those three roles has an opposite. The opposite of the victim is the creator, the opposite of the persecutor is the challenger, and then the opposite of the rescuer is the coach.

Tiffany Fede [01:18:34]:
Wow.

Vision Battlesword [01:18:35]:
So you. So it's like, it's a really, really useful model for detecting. Like, okay, wait, did I just become a persecutor and thereby create a victim? Or is someone else inviting me to become their rescuer by putting out victim energy? And then how can I flip that around? And anyone can flip it. You can so it. So just, like, you can trigger someone into it, you can also flip your own switch and invite someone out of it by going into the opposite roles. Well, I'm now imagining a rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock kind of scenario with emotional states where I wonder if, in this particular relationship, I had, like, we detected something about the relationship between anger and shame, that those are not good compliments. Like, they don't work well together. But what would work well together? Like, what is the.

Vision Battlesword [01:19:31]:
You talked about getting needs met. But additionally, I wonder if there's these kind of triggering situations that we can get ourselves into where we're actually spiraling further and further out by not recognizing our own personal tendency to go into a specific state that's triggering for the other person and that's further triggering to us and so on and so forth. We don't even see that this is happening. But if we could kind of map this out and figure it out and say, oh, okay, this is kind of like the drama triangle. I have a tendency to go anger in the same way that I have a tendency to go, let's say rescuer or victim or whatever that is. You have a tendency to go, shame. And that shame actually provokes my anger and my anger actually provokes your shame. And like, okay, that's a bad, that's a bad mix, right? So what, how do we actually then flip the polarity and go into supportive roles with each other when we detect that to help discharge the situation?

Tiffany Fede [01:20:32]:
Yeah, there's, you know, a lot to unpack around that. And I think that a lot of it is coming to terms with like, self reflecting on what it means for us. So, like, when I'm in anger, what does that look like for me? I think it would be easier for me to associate it with something that I do experience more common. But this is also healthy with or helpful with, you know, mother, you know, child parent relationships because my triggers are completely different, you know, with him then, you know, with my partner. Although, you know, I don't like to be ignored by either. So like maybe there's something to that. But the reaction, I think is different. Like the triggered reaction would be different.

Tiffany Fede [01:21:17]:
But yeah, I wonder. It just takes, it just like takes the consciousness and the awareness and the desire to evolve and to have these conversations and maybe somebody who has the anger thing, it's personal to them, how to like get out of it. Or it's, again, it's communicating, like pre communication when you're not in these things. Like what would feel good for you? Let's say I recognize blah, blah, blah. Like, I know, like my mom, she'll just, she shuts down and she does not. She will note I'm. Or she gonna be nasty. So she will just walk away and just like ignore you and like f off.

Tiffany Fede [01:22:02]:
And I wanna push, push, push. Cuz I'm Aries and I'm fire and I wanna get, I don't wanna let it simmer. I wanna like talk, I wanna get it out.

Vision Battlesword [01:22:10]:
I'm the same way. I like, I will oftentimes make situations much, much worse because I can't let them go until it's resolved. Yeah, it's like, do we have to fix this? It's like, no, you have to give me a wig. Right. You're not gonna resolve office right now and it's just getting worse. Yes, but, but yeah, what I'm really trying to talk about, I think with this complementary emotions thing is something analogous to the love languages. Like we have, we have these preferences, we have these predispositions or these tendencies to like want a certain thing where what I noticed in this specific relationship that I really think could be more universal in terms of just shining light on one of the mysterious ways that we create dysfunction, or that dysfunction shows up in our relationships that we can't figure out, is that, I think with these complementary emotional defaults, let's call it this person's love was not soothing my anger, and my joy was not soothing their shame. So it's not just that the denser emotional states could be triggering to each other, but if we're out of alignment in the high vibe states, we're not getting our needs met there either.

Vision Battlesword [01:23:32]:
And then having that more full awareness of that picture of, oh, okay, your shame needs my love, my anger needs your joy. That's not natural for either one of us, but we're going to cultivate that intentionally because we value this relationship. If that doesn't feel good for us, then we're just gonna have a different kind of container.

Tiffany Fede [01:23:54]:
Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, there's something to be said for, like, does it feel, like, out of alignment? You know, if it's just that not that natural mesh and fit? Like, when do you. But, like, I like that. I like that idea of, like, okay, so in this moment when I see you're experiencing this, if I can get into my state better and tap into, you know, my frequency of joy, which I know is what you need, and it also, then it's like, again, it's like the self awareness and the awareness of others. But, you know, the deeper you go into a relationship, because needs are different at all times, you know, as well. And sometimes, like, then that goes back into coming to an understanding of energy and coming to an understanding of, like, really being able to read emotions of people and know when to take those telepathic hits to give space and. And the need to, like, fix it and finish it and heal it and blah, blah, blah. And then we, like, push, push, push, push. And then it's like, oh, my God.

Tiffany Fede [01:24:58]:
Or you say thing, and then you're like, oh, no, I shouldn't have said things. Now I gotta fix it. But you said thing because you were supposed to say the thing in the moment, and then you just, like, make it worse. Send, like, long messages, and it's just like, oh, my God. All I needed was to just integrate and rest for an hour, and I would have been fine to have this conversation tomorrow. Like, good God.

Vision Battlesword [01:25:19]:
To me, it's just another layer and another dimension on this, like, infinitely complex thing that we call human relating. But it's a really exciting one for me. And you asked me to write something down, and I would like to know your thoughts about it.

Tiffany Fede [01:25:36]:
Okay.

Vision Battlesword [01:25:36]:
Falling in love with life.

Tiffany Fede [01:25:39]:
Yeah. So this is. This is what we talked about. Well, you actually spoke to it. It's the. It's the. It's the forever fest. And it's, you know, seeing through the eyes of wonder and, like, really falling in love with, like, everything.

Tiffany Fede [01:25:59]:
And, like, you see a tree and you're just like, oh, my God, that's so beautiful. And you see, like, this. You witness humanity doing something, and you recognize it, and you're just, like, deeply in love, and you witnessed through the eyes of God. Like, God creator. Love is. You're looking through the eyes, and you're just like, ah. And suddenly you got, like, the cartoon birds, and the heart bubbles, like, floating around you, and you're vibrating in this way, and you're, like, buzzing with joy. And then you begin to play the game with the universe and reality, because it's like you're having a relationship with the universe, and it is like, oh, that.

Tiffany Fede [01:26:42]:
You like that. Let me give you some more of that. And you're, like, bopping around, and then you're, like, doing this reality game, and you're putting. You're, like. You're contributing to the sauce and the spice and the experience of whatever, because you're really. It's not just recognizing synchronicities. It's. It's diving in and really, like, pulling.

Tiffany Fede [01:27:04]:
It's being aware and consciously connected to the synchronicities and, like, oh, I see you. And saying, like, God is just, like, constantly, or the universe is just, like, constantly, like, you know, just, like, throwing, like, you know, having a beautiful. I don't know.

Vision Battlesword [01:27:25]:
I said something really that was like a. Like a pantomime of ejaculation. It was.

Tiffany Fede [01:27:30]:
But I didn't say, because here's the thing. I said this. This is, like, a thing that. And we talk about a lot. We just, like, the universe is just, like, coming all over us. It's great. Just, like, get it. Just, like, orgasm everywhere.

Tiffany Fede [01:27:43]:
It's just, like, give you all of the experiences and blessings because we're just, like, receive it, right. And. But I said that at an event, and it didn't go very well. It was highly inappropriate. So I was just like, wait, tip dope. But, you know, we're telepathic, so, you.

Vision Battlesword [01:28:04]:
Know, so we have brought out yet another aspect of love, which is wonder. Wonder. When you talk about falling in love with life and you talk about going out into the world in that state, that state of just complete openness, curiosity, amazement. Yeah, wonder at this miracle, this mystery, this creation that we are somehow a part of, that we are somehow participating in co creating. When you say we're seeing through the eyes of God in that sense of God, as this fragmented, universal consciousness that created all of these individuations from human beings to all of the sentient beings to even the so called non sentient, you know, material world, down to each individual atom, proton, quark, everything, with this individuated consciousness perceiving itself and then bringing that wondrous perspective online and saying, like, it's like the ultimate version of self love. It's like, whoa, yeah, this is rad. And so am I. That's kind of falling in love with life.

Tiffany Fede [01:29:25]:
I think so. And then also, like, think about it like this. Imagine you're this robot AI alien being coming to earth and is like elf buddy the elf, you know, looking through the eyes of wonder at every experience. So imagine in your relationship and something that normally makes you angry if you turn to a state of wonder and curiosity about it. Like, if you can give your. You can be a master enough to turn it to curiosity, I just can imagine the difference that that would feel. Because when we're just. We think we know.

Tiffany Fede [01:30:06]:
Oh, you're angry because of a belief, because you think, you know, da da da da da. You're not curious because if you're. You're not genuinely curious about why the thing or what the thing. Because the only way that we're angry is because we think we know why or we think we know what it means, or we think we know the outcome, or we think we've been harmed, or we think we've been this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So if we take away that thing that we know and we get into that state of awe and curiosity and imagine where this new creature to earthen and we just turn to that state, I think it would make it, you know, easier for us to understand and relate with one another. And it may be someone crossed a boundary. You have the right to be angry. And ba ba ba ba ba ba ba.

Tiffany Fede [01:30:56]:
And you may figure that out going down and. But, but it takes away the, like, volatility of it, and then it kind of, like, makes it easier to, like to navigate. But I think if you just look and wonder and question, and rather than allowing the resources of your patterns and past to navigate how you feel and believe, a thing, to be, rather getting curious.

Vision Battlesword [01:31:20]:
Okay, so here's what I'm getting so far. Love is a state of being that simultaneously includes many aspects. They can come separately. They can come together. The more of them that are included, the more rich and full. I think we would describe that sensation or that state of love. And these things include acceptance, peace, care, contentedness, safety, expansion, openness, wonder, curiosity, compassion. Does that sound right?

Tiffany Fede [01:31:57]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:31:59]:
I got one other thing that I want to check in on about love before we close, which is we've defined love as all of these different things. And sometimes I hear people talk about love, especially when it comes to, let's say, family. In the context of family, where it sounds like people are equating love with a sense of duty or sense of obligation. Like, I love my family and therefore dot, dot, dot program, I will never abandon them. I will always be there for them. Whatever they need, I'll show up for it. To me, sometimes, though, I don't feel or hear the kind of emotions that we've been describing, and it sounds more of sort of like a contractual arrangement. But I'm wondering what you think about that in terms of, especially as a parent, which I am not, but I do have parents, of course.

Vision Battlesword [01:32:58]:
And so I'm just curious what you think about that. Is there an element of duty that is compatible with love, or are those really kind of two different things where we're using the word love to mean something that's really a different concept?

Tiffany Fede [01:33:13]:
Well, I think probably closer to agreeing with the latter. However, just to, like, contemplate it a little bit as a parent, I don't even think of it as, like, obligation or duty. I think it just is, like, this inherent thing as a parent, as, like, connected to your child. But, like, I also think I'm much different. Like, I'm a different. I'm a different entity. I'm a different being. Like, I didn't.

Tiffany Fede [01:33:42]:
When I had fox in public school, like, I didn't go to, like, the parenthood I went to, like, one of the night things, but I didn't, like, do the PTA out of, like, feeling, like, obligated. Like, my son's going to the school, like, which some others might, you know, because, like, just that, no, I'm not going to do something that I'm not excited or aligned with because I feel like I should. Like, I don't go to the family things and functions out of obligation. I just don't. Like, I don't care in that way. I don't choose to.

Vision Battlesword [01:34:19]:
Do you think some people do get mixed up between love and loyalty and which is which and where that one stops and one begins.

Tiffany Fede [01:34:26]:
Well, yeah, I mean, and I was just gonna say, like, thanksgiving, I did go to my parents little townhouse, and that did kind of feel like obligation, you know? And I went because it would make my son happy and da da da. But I didn't want to. I didn't feel. It didn't. I didn't feel welcome. It didn't feel like a thing. And it just kind of felt like I'm doing this thing because this is what we do and just, uh. So, yes, but I don't know that it's for love.

Tiffany Fede [01:34:55]:
I think. I think love and obligation and love and duty are different.

Vision Battlesword [01:34:59]:
That's the point I'm trying to make.

Tiffany Fede [01:35:00]:
That's the question. I had to get, you know, long winded to get there.

Vision Battlesword [01:35:06]:
Yeah, but I think that. I think. Yeah, I think sometimes we get mixed up, or we at least we get these two things wrapped up around each other. Love and loyalty.

Tiffany Fede [01:35:16]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:35:16]:
And then sometimes one gets lost along the way.

Tiffany Fede [01:35:19]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:35:20]:
And we end up with the other one, but we think that's, like, love, maybe.

Tiffany Fede [01:35:24]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:35:25]:
Loyalty is love. I think they're two different things. I think it's great when they come together.

Tiffany Fede [01:35:29]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:35:30]:
That they don't have to.

Tiffany Fede [01:35:31]:
Right. Yo, it can be challenging when you realize that you need to kind of put yourself first in a relationship and you need to really, like. And maybe your needs are not a match for someone and you guys are. It's, like, powerful to speak that truth and to, like, come into harmony and union together. But it's not like I feel obligated to do this, this and this, because I love you and I'm your partner and blah, blah, blah. And so I'm doing this out of duty, and then that. That, like, that doesn't feel like actual love because it doesn't come along with all. It doesn't come.

Tiffany Fede [01:36:16]:
If you're just doing it out of duty and something you don't want to do, then where's the transparency and the honesty?

Vision Battlesword [01:36:23]:
What's your last word? Love.

Tiffany Fede [01:36:26]:
Love is, again, a conscious entity being, expression. It's a life force. It is the breath that we breathe. It's different than other emotions because it has the power to transform and alchemize. And if we can work with it in a visceral way, like, you know, let's say you work with the goddess of. You can work with love, you can play with love, you can tune in to the spirit and the consciousness of love. It's more powerful than we talk about and that we really even believe or know or understand. I think, like, I really, truly believe that it is consciousness, in a way, and we can become it.

Tiffany Fede [01:37:15]:
Yeah. What does that mean, become?

Vision Battlesword [01:37:18]:
I don't know. Are we being or are we coming.

Tiffany Fede [01:37:21]:
We're coming into being. Right? Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:37:24]:
That would be a whole different conversation.

Tiffany Fede [01:37:26]:
Yeah.

Vision Battlesword [01:37:27]:
But this one. This one was one of my favorites. This was really fun. High vibe.

Tiffany Fede [01:37:33]:
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.

Vision Battlesword [01:37:35]:
Beautiful conversation to me.

Tiffany Fede [01:37:37]:
Likewise. Thank you.